Ann.without.an.e Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Has anyone tried this for health reasons? How did you feel? I tend to have a lot of inflammation and I have heard this is good for it? I already own a champion juicer because someone gave it to me years ago. Thoughts? experiences? Thanks :) Updated in Post #14 Edited September 29, 2017 by Attolia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertstrawberry5 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 D has done it. 1. It takes a LOT of fruit and veg to make enough juice. You need like 16 ounces of juice per meal. That's like a small shopping basket of veg depending on what you use. When he first started, he was only doing 6-8 ounces and it was just not enough. 2. He was never hungry, but he had terrible cravings. Hes a fast food junky, and it was really hard for him. He was desperate for some fries. 3. It takes a long time to finish the juice. It's a large volume to consume. 4. Look into some flavor combinations. D's juices were not palatable. There are a million ebooks, websites, etc with yummy flavor combos. He did not use them, and it was disgusting. He didn't mind, but I could NOT drink that stuff. Celery jalapeno juice is not for me. 5. The texture i weird. Nothing like bottled juice at all. More like a thin smoothie. Good luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 It's a lot of sugar at once, more than the liver really likes. I would be cautious. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 What is the benefit of fresh juice fasting supposed to be, compared to simply eating the fresh produce? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 D has done it. 1. It takes a LOT of fruit and veg to make enough juice. You need like 16 ounces of juice per meal. That's like a small shopping basket of veg depending on what you use. When he first started, he was only doing 6-8 ounces and it was just not enough. 2. He was never hungry, but he had terrible cravings. Hes a fast food junky, and it was really hard for him. He was desperate for some fries. 3. It takes a long time to finish the juice. It's a large volume to consume. 4. Look into some flavor combinations. D's juices were not palatable. There are a million ebooks, websites, etc with yummy flavor combos. He did not use them, and it was disgusting. He didn't mind, but I could NOT drink that stuff. Celery jalapeno juice is not for me. 5. The texture i weird. Nothing like bottled juice at all. More like a thin smoothie. Good luck! Celery jalapeño sure sounds gross :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 What is the benefit of fresh juice fasting supposed to be, compared to simply eating the fresh produce? I honestly don't know :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriedClams Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I wouldn't do it if it were me. Too much sugar. No chewing satisfaction. Not as much fiber as I think I need. I'd go raw fruit/veg if I really needed a cleanse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBM Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Yes, you can reduce inflammation by fasting. The first thing to do is learn more. Read Jason Fung MD's books, watch the Rhonda Patrick interview of Valter Longo and read up on his human studies. You could also join the Facebook group that follows Fung's advice. Some members are patients. You'll find quite a few scientists and health care providers, including doctors and nurses, there as well. I'm starting a fast this afternoon. I stop once I hit a certain ratio of blood glucose to blood ketones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 What is the benefit of fresh juice fasting supposed to be, compared to simply eating the fresh produce? Selling juicers :-) 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I began intermittent fasting (in my case only eating from 1PM to 9PM) this week. I feel great and have lost 4 pounds. You know there's no way I've lost 4 pounds of fat so I'm sure it's great for inflammation, and cheaper than a juice fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momacacia Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Maybe you want to just start out including juices in your daily diet for a while. I've been doing that to support liver/gallbladder health and I feel a lot better. 12-24oz day of carrot/beet\cucumber/pear juice, somewhat diluted. You can always ease into the fast after trying a bit of juicing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermom Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Has anyone tried this for health reasons? How did you feel? I tend to have a lot of inflammation and I have heard this is good for it? I already own a champion juicer because someone gave it to me years ago. Thoughts? experiences? Thanks :) There is no scientific data to support any benefits of juicing. There's a lot of marketing, though. If you have inflammation, then go to your dr to try and find out why. Then work with scientific evidence-based medications. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBM Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Juice fasting would probably not help much with reducing inflammation but fasting very likely would. You can find a lot of scientific proof on the benefits of fasting. Fasting strongly induces autophagy which ultimately reduces inflammation by removing/recycling/repairing bits of subcellular material that, without autophagy, sit around your body and lead to inflammation. Yoshinori Ohsumi won the 2016 Nobel for his work on autophagy. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/science/yoshinori-ohsumi-nobel-prize-medicine.html https://www.salk.edu/news-release/genetic-switch-turned-on-during-fasting-helps-stop-inflammation/ https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2128695-hungry-stomach-hormone-promotes-growth-of-new-brain-cells/ It's important to know how to fast and what should be monitored. I fast often for short periods of time and stop when my blood glucose to blood ketones hit a certain ratio. I am fasting now actually. It is important to understand when to stop which is why you should read something like Jason Fung's book. Fasting is best done under the supervision of a physician who has received training in it. Pregnant women, nursing mothers, children should not fast. Supervised fasting is best. Edited September 28, 2017 by MBM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thanks y'all. I decided against a juice fast. :lol: It was a random thought. I hadn't really looked into. I started here and you all talked me right out of it. I have been paleo. I have tried so many things, but I hold a lot of inflammation. I am trying Vegan + eggs. I may or may not incorporate some fresh juice. I was thinking mostly veggie juice and not fruit juice. I just want to try something new. I am already gluten and dairy free. I already don't eat practically haha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermom Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I have tried so many things, but I hold a lot of inflammation. What do you mean by this? I always associated inflammation with an infection or on-going medical issue. Do you have inflamed and painful joints? You could be causing long-term damage by not getting them looked at by a dr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) There is no scientific data to support any benefits of juicing. There's a lot of marketing, though. If you have inflammation, then go to your dr to try and find out why. Then work with scientific evidence-based medications. What do you mean by this? I always associated inflammation with an infection or on-going medical issue. Do you have inflamed and painful joints? You could be causing long-term damage by not getting them looked at by a dr. They do not know what is wrong with me. I have seen the doctor. My blood work always shows slightly elevated inflammatory markers. My markers and symptoms would say that I lean slightly toward RA or Lupus, but aren't strong enough to determine an exact diagnosis. I have hashimoto's as well. It is like I teeter on the edge of something full blown but nothing is conclusive. ETA I struggle with inflammation in many areas. I have had inflammation in my foot for three years. My joints are inflammed. My eyes and ears are super dry and painful. I have terribly painful rosacea. Edited September 29, 2017 by Attolia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermom Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 They do not know what is wrong with me. I have seen the doctor. My blood work always shows slightly elevated inflammatory markers. My markers and symptoms would say that I lean slightly toward RA or Lupus, but aren't strong enough to determine an exact diagnosis. I have hashimoto's as well. It is like I teeter on the edge of something full blown but nothing is conclusive. Didn't mean to pry, just cautious. Hope you find some relief soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmith Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Have you checked out the Wahl's Protocol? It's really helped me a lot with inflammation. Eggs are one of the foods I cannot eat - not allergic but they do increase inflammation for me. I eat non-gluten grains a few times a week and LOTS of veggies and fruits, but for a few weeks at a time I go completely grain free. Dr. Wahls has a TED talk linked on her site or you can google it. I have Hashimoto's and MS, so I do as much as I can to keep inflammation at a minimum. I don't count calories and I'm never hungry, and so far I have lost around 35 pounds, so that was an added bonus! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Have you checked out the Wahl's Protocol? It's really helped me a lot with inflammation. Eggs are one of the foods I cannot eat - not allergic but they do increase inflammation for me. I eat non-gluten grains a few times a week and LOTS of veggies and fruits, but for a few weeks at a time I go completely grain free. Dr. Wahls has a TED talk linked on her site or you can google it. I have Hashimoto's and MS, so I do as much as I can to keep inflammation at a minimum. I don't count calories and I'm never hungry, and so far I have lost around 35 pounds, so that was an added bonus! No, but I was on AIP for a while and I think they are very similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greta Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thanks y'all. I decided against a juice fast. :lol: It was a random thought. I hadn't really looked into. I started here and you all talked me right out of it. I have been paleo. I have tried so many things, but I hold a lot of inflammation. I am trying Vegan + eggs. I may or may not incorporate some fresh juice. I was thinking mostly veggie juice and not fruit juice. I just want to try something new. I am already gluten and dairy free. I already don't eat practically haha. I'm really glad you brought it up, though, because it made me realize that juicing (not juice fasting, but just adding lots of fresh juices) might be of benefit to my dad. Long story, and I won't bore you with the details, but thanks! Also, I wanted to let you know that I went vegan about a month ago to try to reduce inflammation, thinking that it was a factor in my chronic migraines. It has helped tremendously. Not a miracle cure, but a HUGE help. I've cut back on my medications drastically, and I'm getting fewer migraines than before (I was Paleo before, and low-carb before that, btw). Also, my allergy symptoms have been decreased as well. I believe that eggs, like pretty much all animal foods, are pretty inflammatory, so you might consider giving them up at some point too. (Probably not what you wanted to hear!) You might find this helpful, too: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-do-plant-based-diets-help-rheumatoid-arthritis/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/chicken-eggs-and-inflammation/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-inflammatory-meat-molecule-neu5gc/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/inflammatory-remarks-about-arachidonic-acid/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/fighting-lupus-with-turmeric-good-as-gold/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) I'm really glad you brought it up, though, because it made me realize that juicing (not juice fasting, but just adding lots of fresh juices) might be of benefit to my dad. Long story, and I won't bore you with the details, but thanks! Also, I wanted to let you know that I went vegan about a month ago to try to reduce inflammation, thinking that it was a factor in my chronic migraines. It has helped tremendously. Not a miracle cure, but a HUGE help. I've cut back on my medications drastically, and I'm getting fewer migraines than before (I was Paleo before, and low-carb before that, btw). Also, my allergy symptoms have been decreased as well. I believe that eggs, like pretty much all animal foods, are pretty inflammatory, so you might consider giving them up at some point too. (Probably not what you wanted to hear!) You might find this helpful, too: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-do-plant-based-diets-help-rheumatoid-arthritis/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/chicken-eggs-and-inflammation/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-inflammatory-meat-molecule-neu5gc/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/inflammatory-remarks-about-arachidonic-acid/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/fighting-lupus-with-turmeric-good-as-gold/ Thanks for sharing your experience. I may nix eggs. I can't decide. I may try it later. I've actually never had a problem with them. I was AIP (no eggs) and after a few months, adding eggs back didn't seem to make any difference. So I have tried life without eggs, haha. I am only on day three. I didn't limp out of bed this morning and my eyes have moisture. That is huge progress, enough to make me try this for at least a month or two. Edited September 29, 2017 by Attolia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greta Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thanks for sharing your experience. I may nix eggs. I can't decide. I may try it later. I've actually never had a problem with them. I was AIP (no eggs) and after a few months, adding eggs back didn't seem to make any difference. So I have tried life without eggs, haha. I am only on day three. I didn't limp out of bed this morning and my eyes have moisture. That is huge progress, enough to make me try this for at least a month or two. Ah, this was my first time trying life without eggs, so I can't really say for sure how much they are a part of the equation. I'm so glad that you're feeling better, and I hope that continues! I also should have posted a warning that some of those videos deal with some topics that are . . . well, let's just say don't watch them while you're eating! The third video in particular. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmith Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 No, but I was on AIP for a while and I think they are very similar? They are similar, but nightshades are allowed unless they are a problem. For me they're not. The most important part of Wahls is getting 9 cups of fruits and veggies or as close as possible, divided equally between leafy greens, sulfur (mushrooms, broccoli, onions, etc.) and colorful veggies and fruits. Nuts and seeds are encouraged, preferably soaked and sprouted, high quality meats preferably grass fed, organ meats once a week, fermented foods, healthy fats (no cooking with olive oil, only with coconut oil, ghee or animal fats). I keep my protein lower than she recommends as I feel worse with higher protein levels. (That actually came up in my DNA report, so that was interesting...) My diet is probably 75% vegan, 25% paleo if that makes any sense, lol. I eat non-gluten grains 1 - 3 times a week and legumes 1 - 3 times a week. She does have a vegan option, but she prefers meat sources of protein. I don't think any one diet is perfect for any particular person and I've tweaked Wahls to make it work for me. For her clinical trials she has to do exactly what worked for her, but her book actually has 3 levels of the diet and a vegan option for those who absolutely won't eat animal products. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Inflammation can be due to a number of different things. It can be a reaction to food(s). But it can also be illness. I struggle with constant high levels of inflammation. I have diagnosed illnesses and am treated for them. But the inflammation is still a problem. I'm also gluten and dairy free but here is just an antidote. Despite being gluten free for over a year now I was not gluten free to celiac levels (ie. eliminating all trace sources and possible cross contamination.) I just went to a celiac level since my dd was diagnosed with celiac. I've lost ten pounds in the last month without even trying. And I know that it isn't a matter of calories. There just isn't that much of a caloric difference between regular soy sauce and wheat free tamari. Not to mention the caloric difference in getting a crumb of wheat bread from a regular (not dedicated gluten free) toaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Inflammation can be due to a number of different things. It can be a reaction to food(s). But it can also be illness. I struggle with constant high levels of inflammation. I have diagnosed illnesses and am treated for them. But the inflammation is still a problem. I'm also gluten and dairy free but here is just an antidote. Despite being gluten free for over a year now I was not gluten free to celiac levels (ie. eliminating all trace sources and possible cross contamination.) I just went to a celiac level since my dd was diagnosed with celiac. I've lost ten pounds in the last month without even trying. And I know that it isn't a matter of calories. There just isn't that much of a caloric difference between regular soy sauce and wheat free tamari. Not to mention the caloric difference in getting a crumb of wheat bread from a regular (not dedicated gluten free) toaster. This is interesting! I am pretty cautious about gluten. I only eat GF soy sauce, etc but I don't use a gluten free toaster, which makes me wonder if I should get a dedicated toaster. Hmmmm....something to think about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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