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I am working on a long vowel first beginning phonics program and at Don Potter’s recommendation checked out the Stevenson Language materials, they also start with long vowels first. (As do the old Open Court and the more recent School Phonics, I own both of those already.)

Anyway, reading through the manual that has come so far, they stated that the vowel teams ei and ey as long a came from another language where long A was spelled that way. Looking up the origin of several of these words did not help, they had roots from 3 or 4 different languages with no common trend. Does anyone know? And, I am assuming tha ai/ay as long A comes from Old English based on the trend from those but wanted to double check that, too!

Thanks!!

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I'm not sure that grey came precisely from the French or Latin

 

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gray&allowed_in_frame=0

 

The French origins for prey are not spelt ei, so don't fit the OPs thesis.

 

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gray&allowed_in_frame=0

 

Nor does convey

 

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Convey

 

Obeissance looks closer, but the modern French word has an accent that marks that the e and I are separate sounds, not a single ei sound. I don't know about in older French.

 

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/french-english/obeissance?q=obéissance

 

Perhaps Dutch then.

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I don't know, but when someone on Learning Challenges was writing about having told her son that in Spanish e is pronounced like A, I might have added a reply that for Spanish speakers learning English, an approximation of how to make the long A sound for English, can be indicated by the diphthong ei in Spanish, or especially by e with an acute accent I.   Or also something like ey such as in ley (law).

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Neigh, weigh, eight, and sleigh all have Dutch origins....

 

Neigh - Google says related to a Dutch dialect? I can't speak to dialect - there are quite a number of Dutch dialects, and some are quite "out there". 

 

Weigh = weegt, weight = gewicht.

 

Eight = acht.

 

Sleigh = slee. 

 

So, weegt & slee have a long a sound, but no 'i' or 'y'. gewicht has a short i sound, and acht has a short u sound.

 

Perhaps Dutch then.

 

 

Nee. (Which is pronounced 'nay', and means 'no').

 

In Dutch, the 'ei' letter combination makes the same sound as 'ij', which is kind of like long i. Definitely not long a.

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Maybe the point is not that there is a single origin for ei and ey as A sound words, but just that they tend to derive from other languages at some point back in their etymological history.

They could both explain it and explain why they didn’t say the language. I was feeling ripped off...if you are going to mention it, don’t leave me hanging!

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Maybe the point is not that there is a single origin for ei and ey as A sound words, but just that they tend to derive from other languages at some point back in their etymological history.

They could both explain it and explain why they didn’t say the language. I was feeling ripped off...if you are going to mention it, don’t leave me hanging!

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Annoyingly, my favorite go to resource of The ABCs And All Their Tricks does not say, either. :(

 

It does say that this is the entire list of words containing EY for long A:

 

whey

prey

eyrie

hey

heyday

 

bey

obey

disobey

abeyance

 

grey

greyhound

 

survey

surveying

surveyor

 

purvey

purveyor

 

convey

conveyer

conveyance

 

 

 

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Annoyingly, my favorite go to resource of The ABCs And All Their Tricks does not say, either. :(

 

It does say that this is the entire list of words containing EY for long A:

 

whey

prey

eyrie

hey

heyday

 

bey

obey

disobey

abeyance

 

grey

greyhound

convey

 

survey

surveying

surveyor

 

purvey

purveyor

 

conveyer

conveyer

conveyance

 

Grey made me wonder if there might be some other ey words that are retained in British spelling but are dropped in American spelling.

 

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That's interesting. I pronounce eyrie the same as eerie. Apparently both are correct.

I always that is was like eye-re :O)

 

ETA Oh my heavens, there errors in that sentence! Should read, "I always thought it was like eye-re." No one will believe any of my claims about correctness now!

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