chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I posted on the general ed board and got some great help, but then remembered that I think dmmetler is a music teacher ... am I right? If so, do you have any suggestions for good resources related to Mozart? My daughter (11) plays piano at about a Grade 5 - 6 (Aus levels, not sure if this is international?) and would like more Mozart adaptations to play. She's also just delving into an in-depth study of Mozart's life, so any books or documentary recommendations would be much appreciated. I've ordered a couple of things and put a few things on hold at our library, but the more the merrier. When we do things, we jump right in the deep end and thoroughly immerse ourselves :) Many thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I'm a baroque specialist, not a classical one, but I'd make similar suggestions to a music history interested college student: At a grade 5-6, she should be able to play many of his piano works directly. Rondo A la Turca is around a grade 6. Here's a collection available digitally, but honestly, most of these are available free online as well. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GVQUDW6/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 I'd also suggest going to a college library and just seeing what the non-fiction section has. My guess is that your DD would be more than capable of reading the various music history books-and probably would enjoy some of the analysis as well. I'm assuming her theory is at a similar level, and if so she can probably do form and harmonic analysis of the works herself, and then read and see if it matches. Mozart's operas are a lot of fun. Go and see some live productions if you can. Even regional ones are often very good. Finally, after getting some background, do watch Amadeus. It is not at all historically accurate, but it is thoroughly enjoyable and the music is wonderful-as long as you don't consider it fact or try to cite it in a paper! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) This series is probably the most common used at the college level for lit analysis. They're also pretty standard versions. There are several Mozart collections, generally at the internediate to advanced level. https://www.halleonard.com/product/viewproduct.action?itemid=296686 Edited June 5, 2017 by dmmetler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Oh, thank you! This is all fabulous. Rondo a la Turca is her absolute favourite at the moment (as I'm sure our neighbourhood knows!). I love it when she puts the lid up (it's a baby grand) and really belts it out. I really appreciate your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesje22000 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Is this movie in English available: https://www.amazon.fr/Nannerl-soeur-mozart-Marie-Féret/dp/B004AMFKGS/ref=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1496754157&sr=1-3&keywords=Mozart+dvd.? Dd watched it for French & history but Nannerl might be an interesting spin off :) I know that USA has diffrent age limits on movies then Belgium. Besides Nannerl vs. Wolfgang, the movie is also about 'becoming a woman' and (sexual) attraction. So times the movie appropiately :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) Hope I can piggyback on this thread ... Are there any resources for studying The Magic Flute? I have quite a few I got from googling, but, any recommendations are always better :) Edited June 6, 2017 by mathnerd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Well, I have a set of puppet patterns somewhere around here that I use for early elementary. Seriously, it's such a fairy tale that it's often my first go-to for opera with young kids. I suspect you're looking at a higher level, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) Well, I have a set of puppet patterns somewhere around here that I use for early elementary. Seriously, it's such a fairy tale that it's often my first go-to for opera with young kids. I suspect you're looking at a higher level, though. Yes. I am looking for a higher level resource. I remember getting a copy of the Magic Tree House episode based on the opera and that there was a Smurfs movie based on it. There seem to be some videos on youtube as well. Edited June 6, 2017 by mathnerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Is this movie in English available: https://www.amazon.fr/Nannerl-soeur-mozart-Marie-Féret/dp/B004AMFKGS/ref=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1496754157&sr=1-3&keywords=Mozart+dvd.? Dd watched it for French & history but Nannerl might be an interesting spin off :) I know that USA has diffrent age limits on movies then Belgium. Besides Nannerl vs. Wolfgang, the movie is also about 'becoming a woman' and (sexual) attraction. So times the movie appropiately :) Thank you. I'll have a look for an English version. My Francais is a tad rusty :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 I assume that maths + music are pretty common dual passions? It's all my daughter (11) wants to do at the moment. Maths, piano, maths, piano. More maths. Back to the piano. And if the challenges aren't enough, she'll cross her hands over and play her piano pieces like that, or translate (what's the word in music??) to another key, just for fun. Transpose? Is that the word? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegs Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Transpose is it. :) Perhaps she'd like to take up an instrument which would allow her to participate in ensembles more easily? I think she'd have an absolute blast of it, from what you've described. I love love loved my string quartet and youth orchestra as a teen. Took up b-flat clarinet for a season too, so that I could join a band, and for the extra challenge of sight-transposing music written for other instruments. Not quite what you've been asking, but I hope you don't mind me contributing a tangential musing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegs Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Does your daughter know this story? http://www.classicfm.com/composers/mozart/guides/mozart-allegri-miserere/ Perhaps she'd like to try her hand at transcribing music by ear, as did young Mozart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 Pegs, I love your tangential musings. Thank you for the ideas! Just last night she was talking about the cello.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegs Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 No way! I play the 'cello! Dooooo iiiiiit. :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 No way! I play the 'cello! Dooooo iiiiiit. :D I wish you were in QLD, Pegs, because I'd ask you to teach her. I get the feeling that you'd understand my intense daughter and all her gorgeous quirks :001_smile: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegs Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Well, thank you! It will surely be an honour for anyone you choose to teach her. I shall cheer from here and support her by strongly encouraging you to get that kid a 'cello! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegs Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I just re-read your OP, and this part caught my attention: My daughter (11) plays piano at about a Grade 5 - 6 (Aus levels, not sure if this is international?) and would like more Mozart adaptations to play. If you could get hold of a full score of a favourite piece, is there any reason she can't arrange it for piano herself? Sibelius software would come in mighty handy here, if she's interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The Mozart clarinet concerto is pretty awesome..just saying.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 I'll look into that Sibelius software. How does that work? She plays at a real piano. Does she need to be 'plugged in' somehow? My daughter has been starting to make up her own compositions, but nothing has been written down. Much like you mentioned in another thread, dmmetler, there are 'borrowings' and 'inspirations' from known pieces. It's a bit like she's writing a variation or adaptation or extension to a known piece (I'm sure there's a musical term). Kind of like fan fiction :001_smile: It would be pretty cool to get this stuff onto paper. And we'll definitely have a listen to the clarinet concerto - thanks heaps for all the super ideas. Have I mentioned how much I love this fabulous community on this board?? :001_wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Governess Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 My dd12 wrote a composition on Mozart last year and this book was an interesting, well-written resource: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0393038572/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496876814&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=lives+of+the+great+composers&dpPl=1&dpID=51Xp8knYqQL&ref=plSrch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 You can put notation into Sibelius or Finale (I use Finale, but that has a lot to do with the fact that when I was in grad school, it was the only one that would run on PC systems and not require a Mac, Atari ST, or Amiga) without a MIDI interface. It's just much, much faster to put it in via MIDI and then edit as opposed to putting in each note separately. Finale does have a speedy note entry that uses the computer keyboard and the mouse at the same time, and I assume Sibelius is similar. I've just always spent the $150 or so (USD) to get a basic MIDI keyboard for that purpose. (And you might be able to find a used one or one cheaper). For MIDI, you don't need the fancy touch sensitive "Almost as good as.a real piano". You can get by with the cheapy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Being like fanfiction is a good analogy. In composition classes, it is very typical to have to write "in the style of x"-which is much the same thing-kind of like assigned fanfiction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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