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UA Scholar

 

A student with a 30-32 ACT or 1390-1480 SAT score and at least a 3.5 GPA, he or she will be named a UA Scholar and will receive $76,000 over four years ($19,000 per year).

 

Presidential Scholar

 

A student with a 33-36 ACT or 1490-1600 SAT score and at least a 3.5 GPA will be selected as a Presidential Scholar and will receive $100,000 over four years ($25,000 per year). Students graduating with remaining scholarship semester(s) may use these monies toward graduate school and/or law school study at UA.

I'm sorry for people who were hoping for the equivalent of the past awards. :(

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Our ds attends Bama currently on the NMF scholarship, and I was hoping things would stay the same for Dd as I do not think she will attain NMF status.

 

Before it was full tuition for an ACT score of 32 or above (I can't remember the SAT score).

 

I believe they increased the scholarship for those that score perfects on the ACT/SAT. And I don't think they changed the NMF scholarship.

 

Even though it has decreased a bit, it is still a very good scholarship!

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How do you know when/if there will be a change for next year? UAH looks the same, but could it still change? They don't seem to have dates on the page, it just always looks the same. 

 

My ds had heard rumors in the honors college at UA that the scholarship criteria was changing, so I wasn't surprised.  I am glad that they posted them so early so that kids planning for next yr know ahead of time.  The schools that change late summer or even mid-fall (inexcusable!!) make it difficult for discerning which schools to apply to.

 

I have no idea if UAH is planning on changing theirs.  It really does pay to keep a close eye on the merit schools, though.  The other rumbling I have heard, but not confirmed, is UKY reducing theirs.

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Thanks for posting this.

 

Not only do the score criteria reflect the CB's concordance tables, but they use the highest possible SAT that corresponds with each ACT score.

 

The irony with that decision is that the admissions results from higher tier schools seemed to indicate a lower, not higher, score range.

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So, you're saying if you want a scholarship take the ACT?

 

Maybe, but that will depend on which test is a better fit for the particular student.  In many cases, a student looking for merit should take both tests if there is any question at all about which will be a "better" score.  There are few areas as ripe for return on investment as effort to optimize a good student's test scores.

 

As 8 mentioned above, there are at least a few elite colleges for which the reported old SAT scores were higher or roughly the same as the new SAT scores for this admissions season just ending.  There is controversy over the accuracy of the College Board's concordance tables.  Many schools (especially state ones) seem to have accepted the concordance tables at face value, while other schools apparently were not really comparing the new scores to either old or ACT (I'm not sure how that works in practice in a holistic review?).  I even read someplace that at least one school isn't really sure what the new SAT scores will mean and is waiting to see freshman student grades, one year from now!  My understanding is that the stats for the CDS will include both old and new, meaning mixed, which will be useless IMO and will make it even more difficult for students to predict where they stand.

 

I've read some opinions that the new SAT is "easier" in the medium to medium-high range, but in the very top percentile or two, it may be "harder," and that that is where the concordance tables may be way off, exactly in the area where top schools, or scholarship programs for top scores, may be looking.  (My personal guess is that the CB got the percentiles wrong with their rush job on the new SAT.)

 

My oldest will take both tests but will be prepping for the SAT, as that is where I anticipate a stronger score, partly due to more time per question.  The plan is prep this summer, take SAT this fall (junior) and the school requires ACT in Feb.  Then, probably take the SAT one more time at some point late junior year or even senior year, though that part is too far out to plan.  We'll see though; if it should turn out that the ACT works out better, we would have her do some specific prep and then take ACT a second time.  (I'm not a fan of taking the tests cold as I think the results are not necessarily very informative of what performance might be like with prep, though I think that having already prepped extensively for the SAT, a few ACT practice tests before the ACT should be enough to provide a good clue about the fit of that test.)

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So, you're saying if you want a scholarship take the ACT?

Take both. The test dates are two consecutive Saturdays after all.

In many cases, a student looking for merit should take both tests if there is any question at all about which will be a "better" score. There are few areas as ripe for return on investment as effort to optimize a good student's test scores.

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My oldest will take both tests but will be prepping for the SAT, as that is where I anticipate a stronger score, partly due to more time per question.

I agree the ROI is tempting. My older falls in the UA scholar range using either ACT or SAT. The concordance table is very close for my kids SAT and ACT scores.

 

I just received Duke TIP's percentile report for 2016/17 which is the new SAT. Just to provide another data point for your oldest, my younger (slower speed) boy would fall in the

97th percentile for SAT composite score out of approx 25,224 7th grade talent search enrollees who completed the SAT

95th percentile for ACT composite score out of approx 28,615 7th grade talent search enrollees who completed the ACT

So the difference in percentile for composite scores are close for him.

 

For fun info from the TIP report, top talent search scores for:

SAT Evidenced-based Reading & Writing 780

SAT Math 800

SAT Total 1560

ACT English 36

ACT Math 36

ACT Reading 36

ACT Science 36

ACT Composite 35

 

I won't be surprised if collegeboard borrows several Talent Search data for data mining and refining concordance tables, since the Talent Search 2016/17 enrollees would be taking the new SAT.

 

Even for BAMA, the revised presidential scholarship amount would be close to full ride for in-state students going by cost of attendance estimates.

 

Any score based scholarship would be a nice bonus for us.

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Actually, in-state Presidential is still full tuition. OOS is down over $2000 as of now but rates for next yr have not been announced. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a $3000 gap. Before it wasn't fixed and went up with tuition hikes. Fixed scholarships are not as "good" in my opinion.

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They may be starting to test if they have moved up in desirability and are leaving money on the table: can they get those honors kids for a price higher than free? A 3000 tuition bill is still a great price overall, especially since families can check the tables in advance and know for sure what their award will be.

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Take both. The test dates are two consecutive Saturdays after all.

I agree the ROI is tempting. My older falls in the UA scholar range using either ACT or SAT. The concordance table is very close for my kids SAT and ACT scores.

 

I just received Duke TIP's percentile report for 2016/17 which is the new SAT. Just to provide another data point for your oldest, my younger (slower speed) boy would fall in the

97th percentile for SAT composite score out of approx 25,224 7th grade talent search enrollees who completed the SAT

95th percentile for ACT composite score out of approx 28,615 7th grade talent search enrollees who completed the ACT

So the difference in percentile for composite scores are close for him.

 

For fun info from the TIP report, top talent search scores for:

SAT Evidenced-based Reading & Writing 780

SAT Math 800

SAT Total 1560

ACT English 36

ACT Math 36

ACT Reading 36

ACT Science 36

ACT Composite 35

 

I won't be surprised if collegeboard borrows several Talent Search data for data mining and refining concordance tables, since the Talent Search 2016/17 enrollees would be taking the new SAT.

 

Even for BAMA, the revised presidential scholarship amount would be close to full ride for in-state students going by cost of attendance estimates.

 

Any score based scholarship would be a nice bonus for us.

Would you mind sharing a couple of the 7th grade ACT percentiles? We aren't going through Duke (or any talent search) so I'm curious. Thank you.
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Would you mind sharing a couple of the 7th grade ACT percentiles? We aren't going through Duke (or any talent search) so I'm curious. Thank you.

ACT composite

>= 28 is 99th percentile, (>=31 for English, >=28 for math, >=33 for reading, >=28 for science)

24 is 92th

22 is 84th

21 is 78th

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