MamaSprout Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) My dd is just about done with Foerster Algebra, and my thought was to go with something independent for geometry. Would any of this be acceptable to a STEM kid? Plato Thinkwell Teaching Textbooks (only for geometry) Philfour Edx supplemented with ? Khan Academy supplemented with? Any others I'm missing? Any textbooks/ worktexts that could be done independently by a mathy kiddo? Edited April 28, 2017 by elladarcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Any others I'm missing? Any textbooks/ worktexts that could be done independently by a mathy kiddo? AoPS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie of KY Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 When I think independent, rigorous geometry, I think AoPS also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaSprout Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) okay.... this is my kiddo who deemed Beast Academy "harder than it needs to be" when she was 6 or 7. I've always said we'd take another look at AoPS, though, and I can see geometry being a good place to do that. However, didn't the AoPS Geometry book used to be considered an intermediate course? I looked at the pretest, and I think she knows all that (well, she's in inequalities now, and I'd have her take the test to be sure), but aren't the pre-tests supposed to be ridiculously easy compared to the AoPS books? Is this something she could plug her way through over 18 months along side Foerster Algebra 2? Is AoPS more independent than Jacobs? Edited April 28, 2017 by elladarcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Stoker Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) We loved the Chakerian/Crabill/Stein book here. There are videos available, which we didn't use, but might also be of interest to you. Here is the link to those: https://mathwithoutborders.com/geometry The author of the videos uses the Foerster books for the other courses. Maria Miller has a review of the geometry book on the Math Mammoth website, if that helps. Here that is: https://www.mathmammoth.com/complete/geometry_guided_inquiry.php ETA links. Edited April 25, 2017 by Emerald Stoker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie of KY Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 okay.... this is my kiddo who deemed Beast Academy "harder than it needs to be" when she was 6 or 7. I've always said we'd take another look at AoPS, though, and I can see geometry being a good place to do that. However, didn't the AoPS Geometry book used to be considered an intermediate course? I looked at the pretest, and I think she knows all that (well, she's in inequalities now, and I'd have her take the test to be sure), but aren't the pre-tests supposed to be ridiculously easy compared to the AoPS books? Is this something she could start this summer and plug her way through over 18 months along side Foerster Algebra 2? Is AoPS more independent than Jacobs? How old is your student? AoPS geometry will probably be hard for a very young student even if they have the algebra background. AoPS Geometry has always been the intro geometry book. Yes, the pre-tests are deceptively easy - but they are easy because it doesn't test the maturity/problem solving skills of the student. I have taken multiple students through Geometry in your timeframe, often alongside more math like algebra 2. Yes, I think you could start it in the summer and progress over 1 1/2 years. Two of my kids find AoPS Geometry EASIER than algebra - these are my highly visual spacial, but learning disabled (dyslexia/dysgraphia). I do think AoPS is not for everyone and it mostly depends on the frustration tolerance of hard problems. If the challenge problems are too hard, it's okay to skip them rather than dropping AoPS altogether. You'll still learn lots. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaSprout Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) She's on the young side. She's pretty strong in geometry, which is why I want to get this off my plate (not my usual teaching style.) Edited April 25, 2017 by elladarcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisabees Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Alright - I'll throw this out there, but it's not rigorous like AoPS. DD will be using Derek Owens Geometry in the summer. Very independent. You don't need to be involved at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodGrief Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 My current engineering major at Princeton used Teaching Textbooks geometry. Derek Owens would be a great choice too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiana Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Does she want to keep going with math because she is enjoying math, or because she wants to get to calculus faster? Because if she's just really enjoying math, you might consider doing a semester-long independent elective over the summer instead -- that way, if she didn't finish, or if she didn't get everything she needed to out of it, it wouldn't matter because it would be a bunny trail instead of a core subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootAnn Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Jurgensen is rigorous and there are YouTube videos that a teacher made. I had to be involved, but some kids could do it independently, I assume. ( is the Youtube channel with Jurgensen lessons. I saw " " had some, but I could only find a few. AskMrH has almost all sections covered.) Edited April 26, 2017 by RootAnn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom'sGirl Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I've always found Geometry to be a hard independant subject because of those dang proofs. I like right or wrong answers and my oldest would find the strangest ways to write proofs, which I really had no idea if they were correct. I think the rest of the topics would be doable. I've used Life of Fred Geometry with my oldest and the Chakerian/ MWB with my second DS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaSprout Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Does she want to keep going with math because she is enjoying math, or because she wants to get to calculus faster? Because if she's just really enjoying math, you might consider doing a semester-long independent elective over the summer instead -- that way, if she didn't finish, or if she didn't get everything she needed to out of it, it wouldn't matter because it would be a bunny trail instead of a core subject. Both. There's physics stuff she's interested in, and wants more math to do that. We've taken various recreational math breaks in the past, but since she has zero opportunity for any kind of math team/ contests in our area for homeschoolers (I've even tried to create some opportunities), forward it is. That, and I think she's interested in geometry. Any of the sections in Foerster we've done for geometry she finished so fast I thought she skipped a page or something. I've considered eimacs foundations, but I've seen mixed reviews on how independent it actually is. Edited April 25, 2017 by elladarcy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryam Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 How about Derek Owens? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Both. There's physics stuff she's interested in, and wants more math to do that. We've taken various recreational math breaks in the past, but since she has zero opportunity for any kind of math team/ contests in our area for homeschoolers (I've even tried to create some opportunities), forward it is. That, and I think she's interested in geometry. Any of the sections in Foerster we've done for geometry she finished so fast I thought she skipped a page or something. I've considered eimacs foundations, but I've seen mixed reviews on how independent it actually is. If you're referring to Elements of Mathematics: Foundations (EMF), it is intended to be completely independent. My daughter used it as a "fun" supplement, I think around 6th/7th grade, and was completely independent with it. She found the first several courses to be the most fun, though, and we dropped it when she started taking AoPS online classes (she was at the algebra classes, IIRC). The courses were still a work in progress at the time (no idea where they are now) and, if she took a break, she would sometimes come back to a very different program, so that may have been a part of her growing frustration. As supplementary math, I think it would be a good thing to consider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaSprout Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) We've did/ liked Derek Owens for PreA when you could just buy it as a course, but I don't think I want to do the Jacobs 3rd edition. Dd says she's looking forward to Geometry, so I think she might be annoyed with me if I threw EMF in the mix. She previewed Thinkwell, Teaching Textbooks, the Yay Math Flipped Classroom and the Jacob's second edition book. After she got done making fun of the egg in a cowboy hat on TT, she says she really prefers to start with the Jacob's book, especially since she can read the TE lesson info without seeing the answers. She did kind of like the Yay Math set up, too, so I guess that can be her go-to for when she gets stuck. Not sure how independent this is going to be, but no harm in trying, I guess. Thanks for the input. Where I'm at everyone uses either TT or Saxon, so it's hard to get a handle on what else is out there. Edited April 27, 2017 by elladarcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 My older son (robotics engineering major) did Teaching Textbooks geometry (1st edition). It wasn't honors level, but it was solid. My younger son did geometry with Derek Owens, who uses Jacobs 3rd edition for the homework sets. I love Jacobs Algebra and the 2nd edition geometry, but I really can't stand the 3rd edition. DO's teaching was wonderful, though, and his tests and quizzes (what he calls homework) were well done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmama Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 My younger son did geometry with Derek Owens, who uses Jacobs 3rd edition for the homework sets. I love Jacobs Algebra and the 2nd edition geometry, but I really can't stand the 3rd edition. DO's teaching was wonderful, though, and his tests and quizzes (what he calls homework) were well done. What's so different about the 3rd edition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madteaparty Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Hello, we are in the same position of being almost done with Foerster. I don't know how rigorous it is (certainly not by AOPS standards) but it is totally independent. DS has been doing thinkwell. I think thinkwell is not viewed as particularly rigorous on these boards but I have to say my friend's DS that uses it exclusively did far far better on the AMC than my child who had been using AOPS until that time. FWIW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaSprout Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) We looked at Thinkwell yesterday, too, but Dd didn't care for it, although we had trouble with the sample. I'm still open to ideas! Edited April 28, 2017 by elladarcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Both. There's physics stuff she's interested in, and wants more math to do that. ... That, and I think she's interested in geometry. My older one is in a holding pattern for physics because of calculus. My kids find AoPS intro to geometry book easier than the algebra books as they like geometry while algebra was do it for the sciences. However they discuss a lot with each other and with their AoPS classmates so it isn't independent friendly. My kids do the AMC exams/contests because those are individual and homeschool friendly since we have private centers and public high schools willing to host for a fee. Also the time commitment for us is just showing up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchbark Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Our son is using Jacobs 2nd ed. independently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisabees Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I already suggested DO, but would you consider the summer course by WTMA - Counting and Probability, which is based on AoPS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaSprout Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 I already suggested DO, but would you consider the summer course by WTMA - Counting and Probability, which is based on AoPS? Oh, hey. I like that. She'll be at camp two of the weeks, though. Something like that would be awesome. I need to ponder. Maybe next summer if not this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Chalk dust uses the Koberlein text. We bought "generic" and with the videos ds could work independently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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