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Dyslexia- Dysgraphia- ADHD

 

I started asking question many years ago concerning this child and was told "he's a boy", "give him time", "this is not unusual"..... Last fall I decided I had to push through and try to find out more. Yesterday we finally made it to the one appointment I have been waiting for since September. Our current diagnosis is the aforementioned trifecta. I'm not surprised. I'm kinda relieved. I'm also exhausted from years of trying so hard to just wait it out with no resources and everyone telling me there was nothing wrong.

 

So, here we are. We are moving forward as of today. In all honesty, we shifted our homeschool experience over the past months to more oral work already. We dropped some of the rigor. It's just that now I have confidence that this is perhaps the right direction for this particular child.

 

My question concerns the tutoring that was recommended. Part of the reason we homeschool is because private school tuition is not within our family's budget.

 

Are there funds available to help offset the cost of tutoring a child with dyslexia/dysgraphia? If so, how would I go about finding those resources?

 

Thanks in advance,

Vicki

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Welcome to the boards and congrats on getting helpful evals!! How old is your ds? Feel free to fill in your sig. :)

 

The recommendation to pay for a tutor is standard, and here's the thing. Some people view it as discriminatory and bias against homeschool. Could be, sure. But to me, it's a really strong statement that SOMEONE has to do the intervention that is needed and that it's going to be HARD WORK. Sometimes that hard work can really strain a parent/child relationship.

 

So, if YOU want to be the one to do the intervention, have at it! I've done it, lots of people have done it. But if you have a disability yourself or no time or it's not going to work in your family for someone to do the intervention, then you find a way to get someone else to do it.

 

All that matters is that the intervention gets done, not who is doing it. It WILL be hard. The psych is saying to outsource because *for many people* that's going to be the option that actually gets done.

 

The first psych we used did the same thing with me, saying that to me and then AGAIN in front of my dh, JERK. I have a background in linguistics, have sat through all my ds' speech therapy sessions, and already taught through an OG-lite program. There was no reason why I couldn't teach my ds, and in fact when I visited a tutor I realized that I am MORE qualified than the tutor to work with my particular dc because of the complexity of his situation. But oh, definitely I needed to pay $80 an hour for a tutor!! And yes, in our area, to get an OG tutor to work with someone with ASD is $80 an hour.  :svengo:

 

So as long as you understand the gravity of the situation and are committed to using solid, evidence-based materials and methodologies and going to get it done no matter what, you're FINE and good to go to teach him. You can do it. Barton is awesome. Have you done the pretest? What have you used with him so far?

 

Some states have disability funding. If you don't want to tutor him and your state doesn't have funding, you could move to a state that does. I know I sound like I'm joking, but I'm not. You should also be allowed to use his college savings account, if you have one, to pay for tutoring or enrolling him in a dyslexia school if you wish. And grandparents, anyone who wishes, can typically contribute to that account tax free. So that gives you some more options.

 

How old is he? Did the psych talk strengths? Do you have positive things you're wanting to work on or nurture to offset the negative? Have you read Dyslexic Advantage yet? It's worth the read. It will change how you teach him.

 

Once you get your written report, get his CTOPP scores, especially the RAN/RAS. You can work on RAN/RAS very easily for free, and it will make a HUGE difference. You can begin working on working memory now with games, etc. with my ds, I worked a variety of ways (visual, auditory, kinesthetic) and given the ADHD you definitely should.

 

Have you had his eyes checked by a developmental optometrist? Don't want vision problems compounding the SLDs.

 

Are you considering meds? How old is he? How much is the ADHD impacting his ability to access his education?

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If you have a Scottish Rite organization in your area they may have some dyslexia tutoring available.

 

If you have access to public school services through partial enrollment or home study programs/charters you may be able to access special education services.

 

Otherwise...no, most places don't have funding for tutoring.

 

I have a similar kiddo.

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Does he have tech yet? If there's a holiday or something coming up where people are thinking about giving him money or gifts, collect that and consider a kindle fire or ipad. His age and developmental ability to use the features will decide what you go with. The kindle has great speakers, will run BARD and Learning Ally as well as Audible and can have apps turned off. For someone like my ds, it's really ideal. I love mac products, but the kindle is superior for him right now. I can't have the level of control with an ipad that I have with the kindle. 

 

Learning Ally is paid, and we don't use it right now. It has its place. We LOVE BARD/National Library Service. You'll need to take your written report to the ped and have him sign the paperwork from NLS, but it's worth the hassle. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE NLS.

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Depending on what kind of tutoring you mean, reading tutoring is not even available in every place, and a lot of parents look at using Barton as an alternative. It is something you can look at and see what you think. (I google Barton reading, I don't know the web page.)

 

Sometimes insurance covers OT. Sometimes there is an OT clinic with a sliding scale (maybe attached to a university). Sometimes there is school-based OT.

 

Good luck!!!!! I think just knowing is really helpful :)

 

Edit: can you tell I lived somewhere with no options for tutoring?

 

But some schools will provide quality tutoring, too.

 

It is not common but you never know, maybe you live somewhere that it is the case.

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To find out if your state has a disability scholarship, look on your state department of education website. If you can't find the information, you can call or email someone at the state department of education. Here in my state, they are very responsive and have answered my questions on the same day I posed them.

 

Be aware that if there are scholarships, there are likely to be application deadlines and documentation requirements, and it may take some time to qualify.

 

Also, research to see if there is a private school for dyslexia anywhere in your state. My daughter happens to be enrolled in the one near us, and part of our school's mission is to be a resource to the greater community (not just the families of enrolled students). My guess is that most dyslexia schools will have someone on staff who would be willing to talk with you about whether there are funding options. They may also be able to advise you about how to find a tutor in your local area.

 

Who gave the diagnosis? You can contact them to ask for any lists of resources where you can go for help. They may have more details than they gave at your recent meeting, and it is fine to ask them follow up questions.

 

You can also follow up with your pediatrician about the ADHD diagnosis, even if you don't think you want to consider meds. You may be able to get a referral to a psychologist who can work with you and your child on calming and focusing techniques and a referral to OT.

 

And, yes, you can contact your local public school. Some schools will work with homeschoolers to provide assistance, and some will not. You can contact the special education department (sometimes called pupil services). Be aware that not everyone in the public schools understands what resources are available to homeschoolers, so do not just talk to whoever answers the phone. Ask if they have a case manager who has worked with homeschoolers. If they do not, ask to talk to any case manager. Don't let the person who answers the phone turn you away without offering assistance, because they may not really know what is possible; they may be a receptionist.

 

 

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Wow, thanks so much for all the helpful responses! I apologize for leaving out some of our critical details. My son is 11 and in 5th grade. The testing revealed he is writing at a late 3rd grade level. The dyslexia profile fits him to a tee. We have been going to Vanderbilt for his testing and I do have a great deal of confidence in the level of care he has received there. The Dr. we met with yesterday was very pro homeschool and praised his progress thus far. We had already done many of the things she would have recommended as part of his course work over the past 5 years and she could tell all of that effort had brought him farther than he would have come had he been in a public school setting. I was quite encouraged by this since my last 5 years have seemed like such a struggle.

 

I was given a list of resources and I'm busy pouring over it all. I know Tennessee homeschoolers do have access to some level of assistance from the public school system. The Dr. feels as though very few schools here do a good job of recognizing dyslexia and fewer schools know how to help kids overcome it. Also, I'm not in Nashville. I'm in a small town over an hour away with even fewer resources.

 

You all have given me many other ideas and suggestions as to where I might look for assistance. Thank You!

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When you say you had already done a lot of the things she would have recommended, you mean for other subjects or for reading? I'm just asking, because that's some pretty severe dyslexia or indicates additional things are going on if you've been doing an OG program for years and are still way behind. What was his reading level? Some tests will kick out a decoding reading level and an overall reading comprehension level. Depending on other factors, there can be a big discrepancy there.

 

Sometimes there are some subclinical but pesky things with language, or there can be vision or APD issues that a psychologist wouldn't necessarily catch. So even with the really good evals you got, there still can be room for a few more referrals. You can see if they did language testing like the CELF. 

 

I think Barton doesn't even suggest trying any other writing until like level 4 or 5, right? I forget. Until you get his reading up, just oral composition will do. Around here, OG tutors will use the Diana Hanbury King materials and whatnot as part of their sessions once the kids get to a certain point in their reading. So in an hour they might hit 6-10 things, doing all of them for just a few minutes each, boom, boom, boom.

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Does he have tech yet? If there's a holiday or something coming up where people are thinking about giving him money or gifts, collect that and consider a kindle fire or ipad. His age and developmental ability to use the features will decide what you go with. The kindle has great speakers, will run BARD and Learning Ally as well as Audible and can have apps turned off. For someone like my ds, it's really ideal. I love mac products, but the kindle is superior for him right now. I can't have the level of control with an ipad that I have with the kindle.

 

Learning Ally is paid, and we don't use it right now. It has its place. We LOVE BARD/National Library Service. You'll need to take your written report to the ped and have him sign the paperwork from NLS, but it's worth the hassle. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE NLS.

We have begun working in some technology this year. I have turn an old iPad mini into our educational iPad for the kids. His literature was difficult for anyone (Robin Hood) but he was enjoying the story. So I downloaded audible and have been letting home read the digital version side by side. I plan to do the same for King Arthur.

 

He is also struggling with memorizing the multiplication table. I keep looking for just the right app to assist with that. I'm trying to incorporate more visual and auditory methods for his schooling. After talking with his Dr yesterday, it sounds like I'm on the right track.

 

Any suggestions you have for apps you love? I'm all ears!

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When you say you had already done a lot of the things she would have recommended, you mean for other subjects or for reading? I'm just asking, because that's some pretty severe dyslexia or indicates additional things are going on if you've been doing an OG program for years and are still way behind. What was his reading level? Some tests will kick out a decoding reading level and an overall reading comprehension level. Depending on other factors, there can be a big discrepancy there.

 

Sometimes there are some subclinical but pesky things with language, or there can be vision or APD issues that a psychologist wouldn't necessarily catch. So even with the really good evals you got, there still can be room for a few more referrals. You can see if they did language testing like the CELF.

 

I think Barton doesn't even suggest trying any other writing until like level 4 or 5, right? I forget. Until you get his reading up, just oral composition will do. Around here, OG tutors will use the Diana Hanbury King materials and whatnot as part of their sessions once the kids get to a certain point in their reading. So in an hour they might hit 6-10 things, doing all of them for just a few minutes each, boom, boom, boom.

For instance, he writes in cursive. We started cursive handwriting in first grade. We try to approach learning from lots of different angles, sensory, visual, auditory..... We are beginning to incorporate more technology. (Looking for a good keyboard program now for the iPad - it has a keyboard attachment).... I'm allowing him to keep a city of the multiplication table at his desk to refer to. We would have called that cheating for my dd. But she never needed it.

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Fwiw, I would do more audiobooks, not less. I just put into the other post a mention of language testing. See if they did any and look for holes in the scores, areas that are subclinical but with enough discrepancy to be pesky. 

 

Children who are not reading are not getting the language input of readers, so they fall behind their peers. I would encourage you to have him ear reading audiobooks, not even fiddling with the etext even, for 2-3 hours a day. And then if he wants to work 20-30 minutes or whatever is recommended daily for immersion reading (audio plus text), that's cool. But I'd definitely get up his audiobook exposure. It will build language in his head so that he recognizes what he's reading. It will build language reserves for his writing. It will be IMMENSELY valuable.

 

If it's one ipad for all the kids, then I would get him his own. Since you have mac stuff already, maybe you'd like to go with the kindle fire. I think I splurged and got my ds the $119 version with the bigger memory. Check. Or maybe you have an old phone? Anything so he can plug in earbuds and start listening to audiobooks a LOT. Hours a day. While he does legos, while he colors, while he plays. All he can cram in. 

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Apps? There lists online. Your ds is older than mine. He's going to be ready for Inspiration. There are accessibility apps, ones like Claro where you scan and can type on the page and dictate on the page. 

 

The major thing I'd be asking, and this is just me, is what do his PEERS do that he DOESN'T do because of his disability? That's what I'd bridge first. Do his peers text? Do they do email? Do they edit photos or use Scratch? Find out first what would be age-appropriate and socially-appropriate for him, things that would empower him, normalize him, and do those things first. 

 

He might really like to type. There are some good typing programs, like Talking Fingers and TTRS, that are actually meant for dyslexia. I paid my dd at that age, because it was wicked hard for her. You could pay him to do it (if it's terribly hard for him) and let him EARN his new tech. Then it's his and he EARNED it.

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Hmm, does he like medieval history? You mentioned Robin Hood. Is there anything like that you can harness? If he likes medieval, you can go more broadly. He's still young enough to enjoy Jim Weiss. He could listen to SOTW2 on audio. There are more versions of Robin Hood as well. Some of them, like the Pyle, have a really high reading level that may or may not be a good fit with his comprehension.

 

Do you do read alouds? There's a Great Illustrated Classics series that you could read him. It's a low enough reading level that he would probably pick it up and take over for himself sometimes. It's nice to have that happen. :)  He's at a good stage to get exposure to longer classics without necessarily struggling through all the language.

 

If you get the BARD/NLS catalog, they will have listings for *non-fiction* as well. You can get that kind of variety. My ds is kind of varied and surprising, so I just throw all kinds of things on there. Like right now he's listening to the Rush Revere books. With him, simple can be really good! Simple sometimes gets through and makes a big impression! But he also likes the Great Courses that you can get on Audible for a credit and he'll listen to those. He likes some adult level non-fiction. You just never know, lol. It's nice to cross genres is what I'm saying.

 

For my ds, it's really helpful to start with a video and then go to the book. I haven't done that with fiction, but we're doing it with non-fiction. It's a really effective strategy for him when maybe the comprehension is harder or the material is more abstract.

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Hmm, does he like medieval history? You mentioned Robin Hood. Is there anything like that you can harness? If he likes medieval, you can go more broadly. He's still young enough to enjoy Jim Weiss. He could listen to SOTW2 on audio. There are more versions of Robin Hood as well. Some of them, like the Pyle, have a really high reading level that may or may not be a good fit with his comprehension.

 

Do you do read alouds? There's a Great Illustrated Classics series that you could read him. It's a low enough reading level that he would probably pick it up and take over for himself sometimes. It's nice to have that happen. :) He's at a good stage to get exposure to longer classics without necessarily struggling through all the language.

 

If you get the BARD/NLS catalog, they will have listings for *non-fiction* as well. You can get that kind of variety. My ds is kind of varied and surprising, so I just throw all kinds of things on there. Like right now he's listening to the Rush Revere books. With him, simple can be really good! Simple sometimes gets through and makes a big impression! But he also likes the Great Courses that you can get on Audible for a credit and he'll listen to those. He likes some adult level non-fiction. You just never know, lol. It's nice to cross genres is what I'm saying.

 

For my ds, it's really helpful to start with a video and then go to the book. I haven't done that with fiction, but we're doing it with non-fiction. It's a really effective strategy for him when maybe the comprehension is harder or the material is more abstract.

 

The only pleasure reading he might do would be on the topic of botany. He is not a big reader as you might guess. We have been doing classical education from the start and this year was Middle Ages for both dd and ds. We started off strictly Memoria Press but now have a nice combination of MP with WTM. Every year I stray further and further from MP. X

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Okay, here are things I love :)

 

Reflex Math.  It is not like -- okay, everything is perfect.  But it is the best I have found for math facts.  My older son did get tired of it before he knew all his mult/div facts, but sometimes when you know some, it makes it easier to do another program later. 

 

http://www.handwriting-solutions.com/  Then I like this website for dysgraphia.  I haven't ordered or used the booklet they are selling!  But there is a lot of information right on the website.  http://www.handwriting-solutions.com/dysgraphia.asp  Really this page on the website. 

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That's really interesting that he's into botany! What does he like to do with it?

 

I used some interesting books about botany, worms, etc. with dd as part of her biology mix. Have you seen GuestHollow's science cores? You could look them up. Might give you ideas to pull into your other plans or another way to diverge. And again, I'd be looking at those wondering what you can get on audio between BARD, audible, etc.

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I am just going to add -- my older son is 11 and diagnosed with dysgraphia.

 

B/c of being able to type for so much, what has happened is that math has become the biggest problem. 

 

Long division was bad, bad, bad.  (Though turning paper sideways and then drawing lines to help him line up did help him.... some people turn a piece of paper sideways, but that is too narrow for my son.) 

 

Since long division our lives have looked up :)

 

Since long division his handwriting for math has been sufficient to get  by.

 

He is in public school and a major accommodation for him is just that the math teacher accepts his work and doesn't make him re-do it. 

 

Otherwise, he is functionally typing now, so he is typing anything that is longer than a few sentences.  (When I way "functionally" -- I mean -- he isn't the best typer ever, but he is typing well enough to do what he needs to do.  It is meeting his needs.  What is functional for one kid may be different than for another kid, b/c they have different needs in their daily lives.  My son's handwriting isn't functional for 6th grade school expectations.  It is functional for things like filling out a form or signing his name.  So that is a very variable thing.) 

 

Also I think if you do OT, manage expectations.  I have found OT to be very, very worthwhile.  My son has made progress.  Does it mean he doesn't have dysgraphia?  NO.  At school it may be an OT who helps to suggest/monitor the use of typing (and teaching typing), tell teachers about expectations for handwriting and how to minimize frustration and use other ways to show learning, etc.  It is not all about making the handwriting be better, even though that is part of it, too. 

 

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We have been using graph paper for math to help with organizational skills. One digit per square. Everything lines up nicely. I was required to use very small graph paper in college when my math problem might take three pages to solve. For my kids, I get quarter inch size. If you haven't tried it yet, you might want to give it a shot.

 

As far as the botany interest. It's a little quirky (raised eyebrows concerning Aspergers) but his knowledge is vast especially concerning cacti! He also enjoys reading about reptiles and amphibians to some degree. He keeps an aquarium and terrarium. We are letting him dig a large koi pond in the backyard. That helps with the H part of the ADHD and feeds his interests.

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I started out pseudo-Classical. Meaning that I read the WTM and perused Classical curriculum sites, but I never followed someone else's plan for history. I always devised my own. Partly because I am the kind of person who can't follow a plan without changing it, but also because I knew a strict Classical approach was not the best choice for my particular kids.I always took an eclectic approach.

 

I can't tell how you feel about veering from your previous plans. You seem a little wistful about it, though. I really had to change my teaching and the kinds of materials I used with my kids as their learning challenges surfaced. I had to deal with my feelings about our homeschool not looking the way that I had envisioned it at the beginning, because I did feel sad. Having to adjust the way that we teach is normal, though, and it's okay.

 

It's even okay if you end up dropping the four-year history cycle entirely. You may find that your kids respond better to literature other than that suggested by Classical educators, and that is perfectly fine. Choose books that will engage them and don't feel obligated at all to linking your literature to your history studies.

 

If he likes Robin Hood, etc., have at it. If it does not engage him, read Homer Price or The Mouse and the Motorcyle or Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH instead. Or something else that is fun and delightful. It's more important for him to learn that reading is fun than it is to read certain classics, at this age, especially.

 

I'll be even more blunt. Ditch the classics unless he loves them. :001_smile: (This message comes to you from an English major whose preferred reading as a child was Dickens, Twain, and Bronte, but whose children will probably never read many of the traditional classics. This is sad for me personally, but I'm sure they will turn out to be fine people anyway  ;) ).

 

 

 

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By the way, I agree that there is great value in our kids knowing basics about classical literature. They should know who Robin Hood was and who King Arthur was. But you can introduce your kids to these literary figures through lovely picture book tales. There are some very good ones out there, and not just for beginning readers. You could read a few picture books about these characters to correlate with your history studies, but then use the bulk of your reading time with them on other books.

 

There are so many, many good books to choose from. Don't feel locked in to what someone else has selected for their reading list. Feel free to make your own, geared to what will appeal to your particular kids and that is developmentally appropriate for their learning needs.

 

I'll get off my soapbox now. I'm kind of passionate about children's literature (and have a degree in it), and I believe it is really important for reading to be fun, or children won't choose to do it for their own enjoyment when they are older.

 

ETA: If your kids are loving the classical literature, by all means, keep with it! But it sounds like you are slowly moving in a different direction, and I wanted you to have some validation that that is perfectly okay.

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By the way, I agree that there is great value in our kids knowing basics about classical literature. They should know who Robin Hood was and who King Arthur was. But you can introduce your kids to these literary figures through lovely picture book tales. There are some very good ones out there, and not just for beginning readers. You could read a few picture books about these characters to correlate with your history studies, but then use the bulk of your reading time with them on other books.

 

There are so many, many good books to choose from. Don't feel locked in to what someone else has selected for their reading list. Feel free to make your own, geared to what will appeal to your particular kids and that is developmentally appropriate for their learning needs.

 

I'll get off my soapbox now. I'm kind of passionate about children's literature (and have a degree in it), and I believe it is really important for reading to be fun, or children won't choose to do it for their own enjoyment when they are older.

 

ETA: If your kids are loving the classical literature, by all means, keep with it! But it sounds like you are slowly moving in a different direction, and I wanted you to have some validation that that is perfectly okay.

I really appreciate this! While I wouldn't have any trouble giving similar recommendations to another struggling mother, I often have trouble seeing through my own fog. I'm learning along the way too that, while educating my kinds is a good thing, I can twist it into something it's not meant to be very easily and begin to worship the idea of education just like a lot of other things that seem utopian.

 

Thank you!

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I really appreciate this! While I wouldn't have any trouble giving similar recommendations to another struggling mother, I often have trouble seeing through my own fog. I'm learning along the way too that, while educating my kinds is a good thing, I can twist it into something it's not meant to be very easily and begin to worship the idea of education just like a lot of other things that seem utopian.

 

Thank you!

It's very easy to fall into that trap! Most of us have been there. Sometimes, if we watch and listen really closely, our own kids, through their challenges and strenghts, can educate us on how they learn best ;)

 

You'll figure it out :)

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Following this thread...my son (9) has dyslexia and has been progressing nicely with All About Reading. We went through volume 1, and are halfway through 2; purchased All About Spelling 1 and he knew every single word. I gave him a survey test yesterday in Spelling Power and he scored a grade above. 😳 His reading is still sometimes choppy but we're happy with his progress. It's math that is his nemesis. I've tried many programs (Math U See, Teaching Textbooks, Rod and Staff) and we're currently giving Saxon another shot. Although he didn't show it at all during our evaluation, I believe he's got some ADHD that really surfaces with math. But then again..maybe he doesn't...maybe it's just his frustration with math alone. He was quiet during the evaluation, not frustrated.

After speaking to HSLDA, we chose not to do any further testing within the school. I'm thinking I'd like to return to the development center for a followup to see how he's progressed. Lots of great info on this post...thanks so much and blessings to you, Vicki, and your son.

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Following this thread...my son (9) has dyslexia and has been progressing nicely with All About Reading. We went through volume 1, and are halfway through 2; purchased All About Spelling 1 and he knew every single word. I gave him a survey test yesterday in Spelling Power and he scored a grade above. 😳 His reading is still sometimes choppy but we're happy with his progress. It's math that is his nemesis. I've tried many programs (Math U See, Teaching Textbooks, Rod and Staff) and we're currently giving Saxon another shot. Although he didn't show it at all during our evaluation, I believe he's got some ADHD that really surfaces with math. But then again..maybe he doesn't...maybe it's just his frustration with math alone. He was quiet during the evaluation, not frustrated.

After speaking to HSLDA, we chose not to do any further testing within the school. I'm thinking I'd like to return to the development center for a followup to see how he's progressed. Lots of great info on this post...thanks so much and blessings to you, Vicki, and your son.

 

Could have SLD math. You could look at Ronit Bird.

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