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[Roadrunner]

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Thanks quark for helping via private message. 

I think we have a plan. 

 

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[SeaConquest]

Every CC has different rules on how many classes you can take for DE. It is also free tuition, if I recall correctly. The problem will be the low priority that DE students get for registration, especially if your CC is impacted. To get around this, a lot of people take the CA HS proficiency exam, which would make the student a regular college student. But then, you'd have to actually pay tuition.

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[EndOfOrdinary]

Here it did not matter what my son was interested in taking, he had to pass both the English and math portions of the entrance test or he would not be admitted underage. You might want to keep that on your radar. At 16 he could be admitted for one or the other, but not underage.

 

I have to be physically in class with him until he turns 14 due to insurance. I do not have to pay, or be enrolled, or in any way interact (in fact that was openly discouraged), but my body needs to be there. At 14, I just have to be on campus. At 16, I no longer have to be there. (This is the main reason we are waiting until 14. Ds was mortified at the thought of his mom having to be his escort).

 

These are specific to this community college, but are also very similar to others in our area. They appear to be the general norm around these parts. They might be some things to sort of have milling in your brain to feel out.

 

ETA: We are not California. We are extreme Southern Washington/Northern Oregon

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[Roadrunner]

Why is it free? I suspect this is why it's hard.

 

I think I am just going to show up and start collecting necessary signatures. If asked, he could pass the math test without much worry, and I am guessing he could do the same with English depending on the essay topic.

 

I guess off to the admissions office this Friday.

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[EndOfOrdinary]

There is a MAJOR difference here with Dual Enrollment and early entry. Dual Enrollment is a program. You get completely free tuition and differnet registration times and all sorts of stuff. However, you have to be a junior in high school to qualify.

 

I would be very careful about looking at your options and exactly what the pros and cons are of enrolling in various way. We are not doing Dual Enrollment until Ds is 16. We are going to start early entry at 14.

[madteaparty]

Here it did not matter what my son was interested in taking, he had to pass both the English and math portions of the entrance test or he would not be admitted underage. You might want to keep that on your radar. At 16 he could be admitted for one or the other, but not underage.

 

I have to be physically in class with him until he turns 14 due to insurance. I do not have to pay, or be enrolled, or in any way interact (in fact that was openly discouraged), but my body needs to be there. At 14, I just have to be on campus. At 16, I no longer have to be there. (This is the main reason we are waiting until 14. Ds was mortified at the thought of his mom having to be his escort).

 

These are specific to this community college, but are also very similar to others in our area. They appear to be the general norm around these parts. They might be some things to sort of have milling in your brain to feel out.

 

ETA: We are not California. We are extreme Southern Washington/Northern Oregon

Wow. Our local school took the one page form and my money and that was that.

[Roadrunner]

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[Roadrunner]

Wow. Our local school took the one page form and my money and that was that.

I would gladly pay to avoid the headache.😋

[EndOfOrdinary]

Wow. Our local school took the one page form and my money and that was that.

Yeah. It is complicated here. It did not used to be. Ten or so years ago the CC's had a very large bubble of parents with "brilliant" children who wanted to attend. When it did not go well, repeatedly, far more hoops were put in place.

 

Then people wanted to exploit the DE program. That did not go well. More hoops.

 

I am not looking forward to the meetings in year and a half or so.

[quark]

I think it depends on the dean. Some are easy going, some are nosy and sarcastic and possible some in between.

 

I suggest bringing all the paperwork you have including proof of residency (two friends had trouble with this despite residing in the state for many years). You won't have to show everything but having anything on hand is better than having to come back later or send stuff through the mail (we had to send in originals by mail once).

 

I'll PM you my cell phone number if you think that might help? I've had more than one friend call me in a panic on the day of the meeting. :001_smile:

 

[quark]

We decided to try the first CC course next year. If you have some experience in CA, can you help me figure out how to approach the college? There are hoops to jump (I need a paper application and a special permission from the dean) for kids under the age of 13. What would be the best approach to walk into the meeting with a dean? I don't have any test scores other than what a homeschool charter has. They will vouch to his "Advanced" status, but when I called and inquired at CC, I heard sarcasm. We will be taking SAT next fall, but not soon enough for fall enrollment. We are also interested in foreign language, so math and English placement isn't an issue. I would like a placement into foreign language, but at this point I will be happy with anything.

Tuition is same as in state, correct? And the limit is two classes per semester?

 

Should be $46 per unit if registering after CHSPE. If it's dual enrollment I believe it's free? Or maybe $1/unit? Sorry, best to check with them.

 

Some friends mentioned 7 units total or 2 classes. Others have been allowed up to 11 units. I think the 7 unit limit might be for middle school - 9th grade? We've only ever done full time status post CHSPE.

[madteaparty]

Another thought (though as you know i know nothing re: CA) is to take the ACT this June-- it may help the conversation.

[Roadrunner]

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[EndOfOrdinary]

I think you just say that. We want him to take a foriegn language (French, right?) class. He already speaks and reads in the language. He needs to be in a class to further his current knowledge. We do not want to place him anywhere but 100 level.

 

Exploiting DE here was people wanting to have their 12 year old begin with one or two classes a year. Something like Tai Kwon Do. Then at 13, have them take health and an 095 math class. Then by 14 have them in a full run of classes they were not prepared for, but their kid was a returning student and going to get into classes before other newer students. While thier younger sister starts Tai Kwon Do. So very choice seats in classes were taken with this group of families (total of about 12 kids). Where all the kids enrolled in the same few classes and then changed the tone of the whole thing. (Now only 15 percent of a class can be dual enrolled at any time.) The parents wanted teachers to communicate to them, not the kids, quibble about grades, have retakes, whole shabang. (There are now forms I have go sign stating I can have no correspondence with instructors as I am not the enrolled student.) The students wanted to use DE funds (free tuition) to take 6 years getting an AA. It was free homeschooling and childcare while parents worked. (The need for parents to be in class). It was a mess. It caused many problems.

 

For many people, the idea that a child can handle the course load, emotional rigor, and executive function of college diminishes the college experience. This instance was people blatantly not respecting the idea that just because you can does not mean you should. If you really only want him to take a foreign language class, and you really feel he has maxed out other local options, then go for it. If you are honestly using it as an easy way for your child to get in the door, because he can handle the foriegn language but cannot really handle anything else college level, then you might run into pushback.

 

Foriegn Language is where Ds is going to start too. Probably just with a single langauge 100 run the first two quarters. However, it is important to me that he is college ready across the board when we have him apply. He needs to be ready to fully be a college student, even if only taking one specific class. If your student is in that place, you aren't exploiting anything.

[madteaparty]

Also, hate to further rain on your plans, but at our 4 yr uni here the beginner language classes are often full. (I'm guessing because it's required). Now in the upper level ones I bet they love the extra enrollment because it means a class will be held at all, so I could probably enroll my 5 year old in one of those with no issues 🙄

I'm just saying this in case they try to make you feel crappy even though they'd never have a seat in French 101 in the first place.

[Roadrunner]

Also, hate to further rain on your plans, but at our 4 yr uni here the beginner language classes are often full. (I'm guessing because it's required). Now in the upper level ones I bet they love the extra enrollment because it means a class will be held at all, so I could probably enroll my 5 year old in one of those with no issues 🙄

I'm just saying this in case they try to make you feel crappy even though they'd never have a seat in French 101 in the first place.

 

I checked. French isn't so popular. There are two sections of French 1 offered right now. Each has 36 seats and one of the classes have 27 empty seats out of that number. 

[Roadrunner]

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[EndOfOrdinary]

Logic being that you are not dealing with legality if you are considering why people are sarcastic. Exploiting something is often using legal means. You find a loophole and push it. Peoples opinions are often not based in the legal system. If you are having to get the approval of a dean, then you are dealing with one person's perception not the legal avenues.

 

There are lots of options for a student who is great at French. They do not need to be in a college. If the student is fully college ready, then awesome for them to take French as a class to begin where they feel comfortable.

 

I am saying that you might be getting pushback if you are enrolling a child who obviously is not ready to take College Algebra or Math for NonMath Majors, or World Literature, or Psych 101, or Western Civ. Even if you are not enrolling them in math, English, history, whatever. You might be getting pushback if it feels like you are enrolling a young student in foreign language just to get them in the door rather than if they can fully handle college. Once a student is enrolled, they can take most classes. Whether you are chosing to or not, the door is open. This might also be a reason they would want to see scores like the ACT or the SAT to show college readiness, not just singular ability.

 

I don't know that. That is why our system was changed. Parents did exactly that. They had a kid who could handle a very limited number of classes, had the student take a couple, then pushed the kids until they wound up with the student in classes they could not handle. The kids were not college ready across the board. It dramatically changed the feel and tenor of the school. So they changed it. There is the need for a student to be able to take ANY class, not just opt into a couple so they can become a beginning student. Again, I do not know that. I am only speaking from the experience of why our system has some significant sentiment about how the legal means have been taken too far and really impacted things.

 

I have no idea how ready or not ready your student is. I have no idea why you are chosing the college option other than an online live class, or a high school class, or whatever. I am just expressing that there is a vast difference between my kid can really speak French well and has extreme interest, and my kid is ready to go to college.

[madteaparty]

This student would not be matriculated, so I'm not sure what it means that once he takes this one class, he can take any class.

And I know for sure my kid cannot take a class on say, Milton at the same university where he is perfectly capable of taking advanced French classes. That seems like an absurd standard.

[EndOfOrdinary]

It is. But I understand why they had to impliment it. Here, you are hit with a lot of doubt if you want your kid in before 16. You have to majorly back it up. You are met with a lot of sarcasm and a lot of pushback until the kid can prove themselves.

 

Schools are much happier to grant 60 of the 90 credits of an AA as AP transfer credit, than to have a student enroll early.

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[Roadrunner]

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[EndOfOrdinary]

I don't think you are planning on ramming your kid into a system that he could not otherwise use at the "normal" time. I was just throwing out there that others might be thinking that. Because it does happen. If you have anything to show that he could meet general college readiness standards, it might greatly smooth your way.

 

We are taking the online route other than foriegn language here too. The CC is not of the most immense caliber. I think that might also lead to a bit of their insecurity. Most of the 12 year olds in this board could do well in any number of their classes.