EngOZ Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 My 7yo dd currently uses Miquon Math, which is ideal as she's enjoying it, attends public school and it doesn't take me much time to administer. However I would like to add another math curriculum that will go nicely with Miquon, but I'm not sure which. Here are two curriculums I've been looking into, SM, MM... I'm not considering MUS though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistyMountain Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I am considering MEP for my dd who I also will use Gattegno with. It is free for printing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Tick Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I like MEP because of the cost (free). I tried to use MM with my dd, but it was tricky to match up and has so many problems. I had previously used mel with my ds in conjunction with BA, and that was better. We weren't afterschooling, either, this was full-on math time and I still struggled to pair MM (which is perfect for my older dd add a stand-alone). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Miquon is pretty comprehensive on its own, so I wouldn't add something else that is a complete math course. I'd look for something that works with learning math facts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I use MEP with Miquon and then Beast Academy. But I really didn't have to use much MEP with my miquon dd (so far). She's an intuitive math student and just didn't need it. But MEP is a good option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Board or card games for practice. CSMP if you're looking for different methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abba12 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I use miquon alongside singapore personally, I have a chart showing where miquon covers various topics. I use that to introduce the topic, and then go deeper with it with singapore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73349 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I used it with Singapore (standards ed.). I didn't try to do both at once, but did Singapore for a while in between Miquon books: part of the Singapore 1 Extra Practice book then Miquon orange more of the SM 1 book Kumon time Miquon red more SM 1 SM 2A Miquon blue SM 2B and more Kumon time Miquon green Miquon yellow Miquon purple some fact practice and then started Beast Academy, using SM only a little here and there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngOZ Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Thank you for your replies everyone. I love MEP, but I hated printing pages and also the prep time. Abba12, can you share how you tee up SM and Miquon, or share your chart. I'm looking into SM Math in Focus, hopefully it will be close to what you sugges... Please :drool: I use miquon alongside singapore personally, I have a chart showing where miquon covers various topics. I use that to introduce the topic, and then go deeper with it with singapore. Edited February 21, 2017 by EngOZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abba12 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Thank you for your replies everyone. I love MEP, but I hated printing pages and also the prep time. Abba12, can you share how you tee up SM and Miquon, or share your chart. I'm looking into SM Math in Focus, hopefully it will be close to what you sugges... Please :drool: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yhnt0o8osz3g8ol/http___web.archive.org_web_20080307072415_http___www.singmath.pdf Hopefully that link works, I do the miquon first and then the singapore lesson. It slows us down a little but that works for Eldest who is quick with concepts but seems to struggle with memorising anything so takes a long time working every problem from scratch and getting lost in multi-step problems. A child who memorises better might skip some singapore review depending on what books you're using. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngOZ Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Thanks abba12 :hurray: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 We like Miquon with Ray's Arithmetic. Many combined Miquon with RightStart games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I like Miquon with the Right Start games. Especially if you're afterschooling... I wouldn't want to add something as work heavy as MM for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raifta Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 We used Miquon with SM for DD (she would have finished SM in half the year otherwise rather than taking a full year). We worked through SM sequentially 3x week and then interspersed Miquon 2 x week but didn't worry about them lining up - we would sometimes use Miquon for review, but sometimes use it for new concepts and go ahead. We then used Miquon with MM for DS in much the same way, except I had him do only half the MM problems and those mostly orally whereas he wrote on the Miquon squares. Particularly with DS, I liked having the two programs, because he liked having something fresh and new to do in Math, so going through MM sequentially on its own would have just drowned him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Miquon in large measure provides the "concrete" part of learning that the Singapore Math Model calls for in its concrete>pictorial>abstract progression. Primary Mathematics (aka Singapore Math) largely leaps the "concrete" stage (unless supplemented by exercises from the Home Instructors Guides or a knowledgeable teacher) so Miquon fills a gap by being both "concrete" and providing hands-on "discovery" learning opportunities. There is terrific synergy with the pairing of PM with Miquon. The results are better than a sum of the parts. The Singapore Model expands on the creative math play from Miquon and goes a great job building basic competency and numeracy. We used quite a mash-up of materials at this age including Miquon, PM, MEP, CSMP, and Right Start games and ideas. Later adding Beast Academy. As a basic one-two punch, PM and Miquon are a hard combo to beat IMO. I would not worry too much about lining them up by topic. Some of the beauty at this age is seeing how the basic operations are interrelated (Miquon is especially good at this) and a certain creative chaos in the progression is a positive in my estimation. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah0000 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 We've been doing what Spy Car described and it's been fine so far. The various materials keeps it interesting. I don't attempt to match anything up and mostly just let DS (5) choose whatever he wants from grade 1-3 materials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngOZ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks for the feedback. Where exactly does one start if you want to explore Right Start games? Do you just buy the products on their site and try it or is there a bigger picture guide to it all. I looked but couldn't get my head around how those games relate to this tread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks for the feedback. Where exactly does one start if you want to explore Right Start games? Do you just buy the products on their site and try it or is there a bigger picture guide to it all. I looked but couldn't get my head around how those games relate to this tread. If you choose to do the RS Games, you just buy the set. It comes with a guidebook that has the rules for each game. The games are broken up by topic. There are games for pretty much every topic in elementary math. We found that they were most useful K-2 for practicing math facts and fluency. Sometimes they were also useful for introducing new concepts. They are clearly a supplemental thing. However, your kid is already doing a full program in school, Miquon - another full program - at home, and these would probably be a good way to play around with more early math and firm up the facts. Once you finish Miquon, you can move on to Beast Academy. :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks for the feedback. Where exactly does one start if you want to explore Right Start games? Do you just buy the products on their site and try it or is there a bigger picture guide to it all. I looked but couldn't get my head around how those games relate to this tread. Search YouTube for Right Start games and you'll find classics like "Go to the Dump." The games are (for the most part) a way to build towards automaticity with math fact families w/o resorting to "drill" and encouraging learning through fun. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngOZ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Thanks Farrar and Bill. I like RS math games from the Youtube videos. I think you're both right in saying that doing Miquon is enough. RS games will be a good fit, the games will help to round out their learning and retention... I want my kids to look back and remember - that their math lesson with dad was fun filled, not drill and kill. Now to order... am I right that this page contains all the games we've been discussing in this thread? http://rightstartmath.com/our-curriculum/our-products/tutoring-and-games/ If there are other pages please let me know. I just want games for K-6. Edited February 23, 2017 by EngOZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 This is the games set: http://store.rightstartmath.com/math-card-games-kit/ It includes everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks Farrar and Bill. I like RS math games from the Youtube videos. I think you're both right in saying that doing Miquon is enough. RS games will be a good fit, the games will help to round out their learning and retention... I want my kids to look back and remember - that their math lesson with dad was fun filled, not drill and kill. Now to order... am I right that this page contains all the games we've been discussing in this thread? http://rightstartmath.com/our-curriculum/our-products/tutoring-and-games/ If there are other pages please let me know. I just want games for K-6. Making math fun (and a bonding experience with my son) was the prime directive in our "after-schooling" adventure. Miquon had a profound influence on me in "how to teach/facilitate learning" and in wanting to create a "Math Lab" experience. To that end—I personally—drew on many (many) resources other than Miquon to create a Math Lab experience. Different resources bring different strengths to the table. Primary Mathematics builds phenomenal re-grouping and mental math skill on top of the lessons in Miquon. Plus PM build word problem-solving skills. MEP is especially good at building logical thinking from Day 1, and has many ideas to poach in the lesson plans. The "look" of many problems is different enough from Miquon or PM (while teaching the same concept) that cherry-picking problems had great value to me. CSMP (Comprehensive School Mathematics Program) like MEP is a "free to print" archive with very interesting distractions like the minicomputer that build number sense. RightStart, in addition to the games, has a very smart focus on building an understanding of place value early (better than Miquon or PM initially) and their "Place value" and "Base-10" card (very cheap) had value for me. Adding base-10 "flats" (as 100 values) to a C Rod set (they are the same scale) was also valuable. Ed Zaccaro's books make "difficult" concepts simple. He has a gift for breaking down ideas into easily understood steps. There are almost too many good resources available. It is impossible to do them all. But for me, it was worth pulling on many, and inventing Math Lab activities from my own imagination. For me, Miquon was the starting point and an inspiration for all that came. But not the end point, which I think is exactly what Miquon author Lore Rassmussen hoped for when she wrote the Miquon materials. No pressure, or anything :D Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 CSMP (Comprehensive School Mathematics Program) like MEP is a "free to print" archive with very interesting distractions like the minicomputer that build number sense. I had words with Ronit Bird about that. She says the minicomputer is a mere computational device. I was very cross. :sneaky2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I had words with Ronit Bird about that. She says the minicomputer is a mere computational device. I was very cross. :sneaky2: Who can blame you? :D Bill (who also enjoyed the CSMP storybooks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngOZ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Thanks Bill I love to see how you connect things to Miquon. Making math fun (and a bonding experience with my son) was the prime directive in our "after-schooling" adventure. Miquon had a profound influence on me in "how to teach/facilitate learning" and in wanting to create a "Math Lab" experience. To that end—I personally—drew on many (many) resources other than Miquon to create a Math Lab experience. Different resources bring different strengths to the table. Primary Mathematics builds phenomenal re-grouping and mental math skill on top of the lessons in Miquon. Plus PM build word problem-solving skills. MEP is especially good at building logical thinking from Day 1, and has many ideas to poach in the lesson plans. The "look" of many problems is different enough from Miquon or PM (while teaching the same concept) that cherry-picking problems had great value to me. CSMP (Comprehensive School Mathematics Program) like MEP is a "free to print" archive with very interesting distractions like the minicomputer that build number sense. RightStart, in addition to the games, has a very smart focus on building an understanding of place value early (better than Miquon or PM initially) and their "Place value" and "Base-10" card (very cheap) had value for me. Adding base-10 "flats" (as 100 values) to a C Rod set (they are the same scale) was also valuable. Ed Zaccaro's books make "difficult" concepts simple. He has a gift for breaking down ideas into easily understood steps. There are almost too many good resources available. It is impossible to do them all. But for me, it was worth pulling on many, and inventing Math Lab activities from my own imagination. For me, Miquon was the starting point and an inspiration for all that came. But not the end point, which I think is exactly what Miquon author Lore Rassmussen hoped for when she wrote the Miquon materials. No pressure, or anything :D Bill Edited February 23, 2017 by EngOZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngOZ Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Update: I've just ordered Beast Academy, RS Math Games, SM Challenging Word Problems for all of my kids, and the ones that join our afterschool study group. :D I won't use it all, or for every kid, but just what each needs to build their conceptual understanding. Thanks for all of your feedback. Edited February 24, 2017 by EngOZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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