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Ok I am back from my meeting with the school. They said they don't believe my daughter has Mild Intelectual Disability (IQ 63). They think she is learning disabled in writing, reading, and math. But they will not qualify her becouse they have not worked with her. So they don't know if she has had adequate intervention. Lol (7 years of one on one work not enough).

I went to them for guidance on how to teach her, programs, or ideas on what would work.

I brought them sample of every thing we have tried.

They told me at the last meeting that LIPs program would be helpful for her. But this meeting they said LIPs would not help becouse it broke down sounds. The SLP this meeting said to use whole approach for all subjects. Does anyone know of any remedial language arts, reading, or math programs? Or ideas on how to make my own?

Thanks for your help,

Kim

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I think what the SLP means is to use a sight words approach like Edmark. Edmark is used here (my son attends public school). On one hand it is for kids who: are strong visually, need some initial success, or they are not going to bother teaching the kids to sound out words bc they don't think they are capable of learning to sound out words. They will just memorize functional vocabulary words.

 

My son is doing Reading Mastery. He has been in speech therapy and continues in speech therapy. It does help. In RM they do teach kids to learn letter sounds and sound out words. It is similar to "teach your child to read in 100 e z lessons."

 

That is for autism and we do not really know his IQ range right now.

 

However it can be controversial to say "give up on learning to sound out words" ---- which is how a sight words or functional words can come across. Or it can be very practical and setting kids up for success.

 

If you look on teachers pay teachers I follow a person who has a lot of functional vocabulary stuff, her name is Christine Reeve. But I am desiring my son to learn to sound out words. We are more than 2 years in and he is sounding out or just reading (without the long pauses lol) a lot of CVC words.

 

I think it depends but depending what you have done so far, maybe you want to keep trying to focus on sounding out words or go to sight words more.

 

But that is how I take the SLP's comment. I think she means sight words bc maybe your child is not capable of learning to sound out based on her IQ score.

 

But there is another mom here who has kids with lower IQ scores and she has taught them to read with I See Sam!

 

The RM my son uses gets recommended a lot for autism, so I don't know if it is the right thing.

 

It is more the difference between teaching sight words or sounding out, bc those are two choices locally that I have for my son.

 

I think if I didn't have any opinion he would just be doing sight words now, with no effort to keep working on letter sounds or blends, so that has a lot to do with my opinion (which is more on the side of keeping trying with sounding out unless sight words go very well like they do for some kids).

 

Edit: if she needs LIPS it still seems good to me, but I don't really know. My son does that kind of thing in speech therapy. I think LIPS is comparable.

 

Edit: and another mom is having success with Barton I believe. And I think one called Stevenson?

 

Hopefully you will get more responses and be able to look into some options :)

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Thank you for your response. We have gone through the stevenson's program (green and blue book). She can sound out words. She is just very slow at it. Has very little fluency. And and does "mix up" sounds. The mixing up of some sounds is mostly becouse she can't remember which rule to apply. But there are a few (3 or 4) she just messes up all the time. (Th she says "f"). That's why first SLP said LIPs. The second SLP said if you have used phonics programs for so long and she still not getting it switch to whole language. She said to teach things in context (big picture). I will look into the program you mentioned.

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Both (SLPs) seem screwy.  Have you thought about talking with a reading specialist?  Someone who is OG-certified, not someone from the school.  Someone who has taught this demographic.

 

The errors you're describing sound like low working memory and more need to work on fluency.  If she CAN sound out, I don't know that it makes sense to stop.  If her working memory is low, you do things to raise it.  Did she pass the Barton pre-test or fail it?  If she passed, you don't need LIPS, my lands.

 

I think for finding out what her actual ceiling is with instruction, your best bet is to find the absolute best reading tutor you can find and let them help you sort it out.  My ds is complicated like that, with autism plus dyslexia.  It's sometimes hard to tell whether his speech issues or the dyslexia or the developmental stuff is causing a particular issue.  That's why I did, taking him to a really stellar reading tutor.  She was able to do some quick testing with us (for cheap), talk things through, and help us formulate a game plan.  

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I also think that being able to sound out is awesome! I would also look for someone who teaches reading to this demographic.

 

I don't know how to find someone?

 

Is there any way to ask around? My son did Special Olympics track and field last year, and that would be a place to ask around. He was in 1st grade to practice, would have needed to be 8 to go to the meet.

 

There is also a church here that puts on family events sometimes where you might be able to ask parents.

 

I am on an email list to hear about things like this in my town.

 

I am not sure what to google, maybe try some things and call around. Sometimes if you call a wrong place they can suggest a right place.

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You can call a dyslexia school, psychologists, etc.  Even ask the school if there are private, Orton-Gillingham certified reading tutors they refer off to.  

 

Learning Ally has a list people can self-submit to.  It will have tutors, psychs, all kinds of people.  If you don't see a tutoring place there, call the psychs and ask where they refer people to.  

 

Also try googling your state/location plus orton-gillingham certified or wilson certified and see what pops up...

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