gardenmom5 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 ds will be finishing an AS in engineering (he's been doing well, and really enjoying it), and needs to transfer to a 4-yr school for a bs. any questions or specific things I should look at? My girls went straight to a 4-yr, so this is a new route for me. he plans on doing aerospace, I've been looking at what schools offer said degree (not many). we're looking local, the state his gf is in (her words to him:_____ I don't WANT to stay in ___!" and whatever else we need to look at. any suggestions, questions, etc? I assume a help will be one of his current teachers has a ms in aerospace. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Many mechanical engineers work in aerospace. Ask depts if any of their grads do. How do they accept his credits? What will he have to take to match their course sequence? How do those courses match up in terms of pre-req sequences and how many semesters will it take to complete his bachelor's? Are transfer students able to find UG research opportunities on campus? Get coop positions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*LC Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 There are 60-something universities with ABET accredited aerospace majors. You can see them here. http://main.abet.org/aps/accreditedprogramsearch.aspx This site http://www.phds.org/rankings/aerospace-engineering ranks 31 of the grad programs to give you a few more names. California Institute of Technology Aeronautics 1-3 1-1 Cornell University Aerospace Engineering 4-13 2-6 Stanford University Aeronautics and Astronautics 1-2 2-4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor Aerospace Engineering 3-9 2-5 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities Aerospace Engineering and Mechanics 5-16 3-7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Aeronautics and Astronautics 2-7 7-17 University of Colorado at Boulder Aerospace Engineering Sciences 3-6 5-13 University of Maryland-College Park Aerospace Engineering 9-22 5-13 Purdue University-Main Campus Aeronautics and Astronautics 5-14 7-17 University of Notre Dame Aerospace Engineering 8-17 8-20 Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus Aerospace Engineering 7-19 6-16 Texas A & M University Aerospace Engineering 13-23 5-12 University at Buffalo Aerospace Engineering 11-23 10-21 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Aerospace Engineering 7-21 8-18 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Aerospace Engineering 7-16 8-22 University of California-Los Angeles Aerospace Engineering 9-20 13-26 North Carolina State University at Raleigh Aerospace Engineering 13-23 15-27 Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus Aerospace Engineering 12-22 8-20 University of Washington-Seattle Campus Aeronautics and Astronautics 9-20 8-21 Old Dominion University Aerospace Engineering 23-28 18-29 University of Arizona Aerospace Engineering 22-30 14-26 Wright State University-Main Campus Engineering 16-24 16-28 The University of Texas at Austin Aerospace Engineering 4-11 16-26 Auburn University Main Campus Aerospace Engineering 27-31 24-30 Iowa State University Aerospace Engineering 25-30 21-29 University of Cincinnati-Main Campus Aerospace Engineering 24-29 20-28 University of Southern California Aerospace Engineering 20-26 17-26 University of Florida Aerospace Engineering 15-26 13-25 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Aeronautical Engineering 9-24 26-31 Ohio State University-Main Campus Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering 25-31 24-31 University of Kansas Aerospace Engineering 27-31 29-31 University of Kansas Aerospace Engineering 27-31 29-31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*LC Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Ugh. I typed a lot more; I proofed it; I posted, but only the top part appeared. basically look into transfer scholarships (is your son in a honor society at CC/some have generous scholsarships) look into whether we could afford the school look into schools with aerospace concentrations or minors look into internships, co-ops, research, locals jobs in aerospace available from each school look into what classes each school/major requires look into what classes, that your son has completed, that each school will accept as transfer to meet graduation requirements look into how long it will take to graduate look into application process as a transfer look into size of school, ease of registering for classes look into whether there is a transfer orientation or other program designed to help transfer students These are all factors that I would consider, but how they would weight would depend on my student. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Western Michigan University - a bit cheaper than U of MI - is ABET certified for Aeronautics/Aerospace. ABET is your number one consideration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetC Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 For a transfer student, the next thing you want after an accredited program is for your credits to transfer. This means starting with the list of colleges that your associates program is designed to feed into - schools with articulation agreements with your two-year program. If you go outside the list of articulation schools, be sure to get an early read on your transcript to make sure things transfer. Also be sure to get an early read on financial aid. Some schools treat transfers as "cash cows." If you need merit aid, be sure that it is available for transfers as well as freshmen. The Common Data Set lists both regular admissions and transfer admissions stats. Schools may be more or less competitive for transfers than they are for freshmen. If you are looking at elite schools, they are generally more competitive for transfers than they were for freshmen because kids want to get a second chance to get into the elite school after a year somewhere else. Meanwhile, the kids who got in to elite schools tend to stay in, so there are very few openings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan in Mass Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Try to find out how many cc transfer students actually graduate after transferring. Transferring into an engineering school can be difficult because not all schools teach the necessary skills in the same classes. You may take asdf 1 (made up example) at cc and discover when you take asdf 2 in your new school that some essential skills were covered in their version of asdf 1 but not in yours. Too many gaps and you are likely to fail. Try to talk to someone who is familiar with how your two programs match up and can tell you which classes need to be repeated. Nan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) What states would you consider? Most folks these days don't do nation wide searches - especially in a transfer situation. The in-state public universities probably have programs available to help with the process. As others have mentioned make sure the program is ABET. IMO a BS Mechanical Eng degree with Aerospace specialization would be preferable for job placement. Edited September 25, 2016 by MarkT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 We were told this summer when at NASA's Advanced Rocketry Workshop while touring the Redstone Arsenal Facility that they are very interested in those engineers who had managed a double major in mathematics. But as STEM 4H leaders who are constantly looking for info for our high school students interested in STEM majors we are hearing time and time again that there is work, great work, good salary and wonderful benefits, available for math majors and minors. The lack of mathematicians in this country is getting quite serious. So definitely something to consider. While engineering is math heavy, there are additional classes that would have to be added to get the minor and even more for that double major. That said, if the student can manage it, it is definitely worth pursuing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 In terms of regions to consider, I'd probably first start with the surrounding states geographically because OOS tuition is only further amped when adding the cost of travel. If you live on one coast, and student is on the other coast, plane tickets can be pretty pricey multiplied by end of term and summer break that adds a significant burden. University of Alabama at Huntsville is one of the most generous with scholarships that we know of. If memory serves, a 1310 on the new SAT plus a 3.8 GPA will earn a 67% scholarship and their OOS tuition is lower than many universities. 4.0 plus a 1400 (again double check to make sure the numbers haven't changed because I have not looked at them in quite a while) is 100% including room and board. It is one of the few OOS schools that we are looking at for our DS. Much as we'd love to have several others like Georgia Tech and such on our list, they are entirely out of reach financially as their very best scholarships do not bring their OOS price tag for us down to something we can afford and especially so since we'll have three sons in college at that point. For U of Michigan, just remember that their aerospace program is on campus, but their robotics is in Dearborn. So if your student ends up looking at robotics, he/she will be living at a different campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Is physics a worthwhile double major, or is math the better option for rocket science? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Heigh Ho, I think that if one wants to get into the engineering aspects of Aerospace the indication was math, math, math. The way the payload operations works now, pretty much everyone that works at Redstone overseeing space station experiments conducted by astronauts has an engineering degree or computer science was another biggie but with math as a minor or double major. They don't take physics, biology, chemistry majors because they do not need them on site. These persons would be "subject matter experts" or SME's, and are consulted as needed mostly working for other companies or as teachers. NASA has so many education outreach programs that a significant number of experiments conducted in space are designed by high school and college students with oversight of teachers and professors. Given the ease of using internet technology to communicate, there is no need to have SME's as NASA employees. So given what they were telling us to advise the two kids on our team who eventually want to work for NASA or an AIA affiliated company (Aerospace Industries of America), engineers were their top priority. Aerospace, Mechanical, Electrical, Chemical, and Comp Sci. As a matter of fact, after the off shoring of IT jobs a number of universities saw their comp sci departments - in terms of enrollment - contract and for a while there was a shortage. I think they want Comp Sci hardware engineering not software though. When we check in with our student launch engineers next month for PDR meetings, I'll ask them specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gardenmom5 Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Is physics a worthwhile double major, or is math the better option for rocket science? engineering is a very physics and math heavy major. he has had, and will have, math every quarter/semester until he graduates. (for the kid who was intimidated by math in high school - he's having a blast. no pun intended. insert plug for khan academy.) thank everyone for the replies. he was already aware of ABET, and I don't think there are any schools out there offering bachelors in aerospace that *aren't* ABET. I'm putting together the information on deadlines, deadlines, deadlines, for application/fafsa, etc. costs/grants, what they accept for transfers (I know our instate school will do a straight across transfer with the 2-yr. - that's our first choice. someone from their dept. did say they will take as many as half transfer students from the 2yr system.) right now, our 2nd choice is near 2dd, because he can live with her. at least for a while. (she's buying a 4bdrm house.) he did receive the 2-yr version of PBK organization a few years back, so I hope it will be helpful now. - ah, went back and looked it up again. PTK. eta: the link was for graduate programs . . . . . sigh. Edited September 26, 2016 by gardenmom5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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