LMV Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 I see this tossed around all the time now (both on this board and also in offline conversations). I really have no clue what is meant by this (and when I consider some of the schools that are being considered I don't come up with any big commonalities) so can someone help me out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Google is your friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5052 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy There are multiple lists, but some commonality there. Basically a more selective, elite state school. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMV Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Google is your friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy Ok point taken. Interestingly, the majority of people who have been talking or writing about public Ivies have not been referring to any of the eight schools on Moll's list. However, I suppose that list does help me understand why one of my DD20's acquaintances was adamant that he was attending an Ivy. His school is on Moll's list. Edited July 1, 2016 by LMV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 UC Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, William & Mary, Michigan-Ann Arbor, UT-Austin, UNC-Chapel Hill, Georgia Tech I've seen people argue for Illinois-Urbana, Wisconsin-Madison, and Virginia Tech but those typically aren't considered as prestigious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMV Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 UC Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, William & Mary, Michigan-Ann Arbor, UT-Austin, UNC-Chapel Hill, Georgia Tech I've seen people argue for Illinois-Urbana, Wisconsin-Madison, and Virginia Tech but those typically aren't considered as prestigious Moll's Public Ivy List: -UNC (Chapel Hill Campus) -UVM -U Michigan (Ann Arbor Campus) -William & Mary -University of Texas (Austin Campus) -Miami University -University of California -UVA (Charlottesville Campus) He chose eight schools I presume in keeping with the eight schools in the actual Ivy League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Miami in OH? I didn't realize that was a public college. My uncle went there and I assumed it was a private LAC. Learn something new every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor_dad Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Miami in OH? I didn't realize that was a public college. My uncle went there and I assumed it was a private LAC. Learn something new every day! That;s OK ;) Despite getting accepted at a few Ivies undergrad, DW didn't realized Penn was private and and Ivy until getting offered a faculty job there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacharsis Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) It is a public school that is patronized in large numbers by "the Ivy League type", those who went to the traditional New England prep schools (St. Paul's, Andover, Exeter, Groton, etc.) favored by the American upper class instead of high school. The traditional path for Eastern upper class students was to enroll as a legacy to whichever of the Big Three (Harvard, Yale, or Princeton) their family usually attended, or to the local Ivy favorite, which was usually whichever Ivy League school was local to their state, or maybe one of the Little Three (Amherst, Wesleyan, or Williams). If they found themselves unable to get into any of those schools due to academic or behavioral problems, then they would get a more personalized education at one of the other NESCAC small colleges. Originally, there was only one Public Ivy, the University of Virginia. Getting a law degree at UVA was seen as an acceptable graduate route for those interested in a public service career. (Those with more interest in international relations or the humanities would get a postsecondary degree overseas at Oxford or Cambridge). Over time, this halo effect caused a rise in status for UVA undergrads as well. I'm not sure when things started to change... maybe during the 70s? In addition to the NESCAC, less academically inclined prep schoolers were ending up at the "ski colleges" like the University of Colorado or the University of Vermont. Then came the Public Ivy book, which redefined public ivy as meaning a rigorous public education at an affordable price. I think now any public university that thinks it can get away with it wants to be known as a Public Ivy, as it does not have a strict definition, yet increases the perceived desirability of the school. Edited July 3, 2016 by Anacharsis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daijobu Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Did you know that Purdue is actually public? I didn't. I don't see it discussed much on these boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Did you know that Purdue is actually public? I didn't. I don't see it discussed much on these boards. Didn't know that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy There are multiple lists, but some commonality there. Basically a more selective, elite state school. This is what it means in my neck of the woods. The meaning didn't start out that way, but that's what it is now. The "more selective" is definitely a major factor - not just the "terrific education" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Did you know that Purdue is actually public? I didn't. I don't see it discussed much on these boards. Yes, I knew that. In our state the one that surprises people is Temple. Most do not realize it's state related (aka part public) in the same manner than Penn St and Pitt are. Then Penn State and U Penn get confused often. The latter is an official Ivy school. The former is considered our state flagship even though it's only partially state related and not a true state school (like Kutztown or West Chester or any of the other 14 PASSHE schools). http://www.passhe.edu/Pages/default.aspx Penn St and Pitt both have over 50% acceptance rates, so don't qualify as Public Ivies. By comparison UVA is 29%. UC Berkeley is 15%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor_dad Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) Did you know that Purdue is actually public? I didn't. I don't see it discussed much on these boards. Yeah, I know a couple of folks from public school's that "only" sent people to Ivies or elite schools who went to Purdue to study with Gene Spafford(spaf). Finding him better to study computer security with than rtm, who is at Harvard and pursuing pure math(CS). Edited July 8, 2016 by raptor_dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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