unsinkable Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 That site that has movies and TV shows? And if it isn't, why don't production companies get it shut down? I'm thinking it's not legal...too good to be true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd293 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I hadn't heard of the site so I searched and came across this interesting article which looks at what aspects of watching movies from this sort of site are and aren't legal, and why it's hard to shut sites down. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/are-streaming-sites-legal-2014-4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 You can argue the legality of it either way, but ethically, it's no different from downloading pirated content from a torrent site. (Which is not something I'm going to judge anyone for, btw. But I do think people need to be aware when they're viewing "stolen" content, whether via streaming or downloading.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I don't know the site, but I had to respond to a post. Well, I would judge someone for downloading pirated content. My FIL made his living as a writer. Other family members have had careers in music. When you take intellectual property without paying you are stealing someone's livelihood. Not everyone who gets share of the profit is rich or famous. Many are just getting by. If it is OK to steal this way, perhaps we should just discourage anyone from pursuing any art form and have a world devoid of me art, literature, film, music, etc. if you want to enjoy these things then you should respect the artist and pay. I'm sorry, I can't ignore when there's a suggestion that piracy is OK. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I don't know the site, but I had to respond to a post. Well, I would judge someone for downloading pirated content. My FIL made his living as a writer. Other family members have had careers in music. When you take intellectual property without paying you are stealing someone's livelihood. Not everyone who gets share of the profit is rich or famous. Many are just getting by. If it is OK to steal this way, perhaps we should just discourage anyone from pursuing any art form and have a world devoid of me art, literature, film, music, etc. if you want to enjoy these things then you should respect the artist and pay. I'm sorry, I can't ignore when there's a suggestion that piracy is OK. Where did anyone say piracy is okay? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Where did anyone say piracy is okay? You said you wouldn't judge which could be interpreted as OK. You didn't say you thought it was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 You said you wouldn't judge which could be interpreted as OK. You didn't say you thought it was wrong. No, I said I'm not going to judge anyone. Period. Last I checked, not judging people was a good thing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 No, I said I'm not going to judge anyone. Period. Last I checked, not judging people was a good thing. Not necessarily. You aren't going to judge someone who steals from a a family's income. I'm definitely going to judge a person who steals another person's income. It is the same as taking money out of my wallet. Either way there is less for rent and groceries. Do you not judge pickpockets? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Why are you judging Mergath so harshly for not judging hypothetical people in a hypothetical situation? I am judging you for judging her for not judging ppl that do not exist :laugh: Anyway she was the one in this thread pointing out the site isn't legit. No she said she wouldn't judge people for piracy. I said I would judge people who participated in piracy, because it is stealing. Many people, including people on this board don't understand unauthorized downloads or other things like duplicating copyrighted material is stealing. I will point that out every time I see it come up. I have too many family and friends who depend on intellectual property rights. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 With a deterrent like that, it's a wonder people still do it. Whatever. I just want everyone to know it is stealing plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Which Mergath basically pointed out and said she wouldn't do it. I don't do it either... but I do put this into the category of things I think are wrong, but which I'm not going to get worked up over. If I saw someone pickpocketing, I'd report them to the police. If I saw someone watching torrented TV, I'd be like, oh well. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbridgeacademy Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I don't think (from multiple articles) it's legal but I also don't think they can effectively prosecute the user, because they can't prove exactly who used it (multiple people in the house, visitors). I read an article, can't link, was on either Yahoo, CNN, or NBCNEWS, that said government nor producers/manufacturers were likely to target users of streaming content due to the fact that it is a one use system. You the end user are only likely to view the movie/show one time therefore it's not worth their time/money to go after you. Rainier land also has a glitch if you try to watch the same show/movie multiple times(usually 3rd time) it stops working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 No she said she wouldn't judge people for piracy. I said I would judge people who participated in piracy, because it is stealing. Many people, including people on this board don't understand unauthorized downloads or other things like duplicating copyrighted material is stealing. I will point that out every time I see it come up. I have too many family and friends who depend on intellectual property rights. I can guarantee that almost everyone here understands those things are illegal without you charging in and scolding us. It's a hsing forum. We aren't idiots. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I can guarantee that almost everyone here understands those things are illegal without you charging in and scolding us. It's a hsing forum. We aren't idiots. I've seen many instances of people on this forum saying it's ok. So, no, not everyone on this forum understands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Which Mergath basically pointed out and said she wouldn't do it. I don't do it either... but I do put this into the category of things I think are wrong, but which I'm not going to get worked up over. If I saw someone pickpocketing, I'd report them to the police. If I saw someone watching torrented TV, I'd be like, oh well. You don't get worked up over. I guess because you dont have friends or loved ones whose legitimate work produces these things. It is a real problem when you don't get paid for your work. I understand you may not be able to report some things, but to say nothing helps to perpetuate and provide legitimacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Normally i watch movies on http://www.rainierland.biz Wow. That was quick. You joined us at 9:31, posted at 9:33, and immediately left the forum. How nice of you to bump the old thread to make sure we had a link. I'm sure it couldn't possibly be spam, though, although your contact URL in your profile just happens to be the exact same spam link... :rolleyes: Reported. Edited December 9, 2015 by Catwoman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest euler13 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 So I don't think you can put a blanket statement over streaming vs downloading as categorically identical. I agree while they fall under a similar ethical misconduct, they are indeed different actions. Let me give you an example. If I buy a movie and invite friends over to watch, is it ok? How about if we all jump in a google hangout/ adobe connect / skype / etc. and I share privately to the same people an amazon video I've purchased (so we can hang out together and enjoy the flick)? - if your answer is no, please explain in legal terms the difference. Now compare that to me giving them all copies of the movie. Now rainierland has made this streaming publicly available, wherein the big controversy lies. It is possible that this person has purchased these films overseas as a sort of movie theater, thus retaining legal rights to showing the films. The legal grey area would be then - what constitutes a theater?, and did the seller put any protections in place - probably they have... Streaming is to downloading as RAM is to Hard Drive Storage. Or this may be a stretch but Doing illegal drugs : buying illegal drugs. In streaming illegal content, you are in possession of bits of temporary data, thus you cannot make a copy and redistribute without additional compiling techniques (screen capture, etc.). Downloading a full movie is quite different. How much temporary data can you be in possession of before the law can build a case against you (the consumer) ? Hmmmmm........ that's a tough one. Consider that the weight of the law usually depends on the amount of illegal contraband (or drugs) one is in possession of at any time, and usually there is some kind of minimal legal limit. Just my thoughts, and no disrespect to those who work in the industry and want to get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 No she said she wouldn't judge people for piracy. I said I would judge people who participated in piracy, because it is stealing. Many people, including people on this board don't understand unauthorized downloads or other things like duplicating copyrighted material is stealing. I will point that out every time I see it come up. I have too many family and friends who depend on intellectual property rights. I understand it perfectly, but it is the responsibility of a business owner to adjust his business to the world we live in. In a digital world, business models need to change. Piracy awareness and crying that the honor system should work does nothing to preserve an artist's income. You're focusing on the wrong problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: Zombie thread, folks. Sigh. Why must trolls bother? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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