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[SJ.]

I'd try not to let others' dietary choices get to you, or any decision that doesn't directly affect you.  

 

 

P.S.  I drink diet coke.   :auto:

[SparklyUnicorn]

Hm..I'm not seeing this as a huge deal.  Sometimes parents try to entice their sick kid to eat something by offering something they know would be very appealing to their kid. 

 

I know you said JAWM so I'll leave it at that.  ; )

 

 

[J-rap]

I see this too, soooo often, and it is very confusing.  I don't understand where the disconnect is.  But it is definitely there.  When my kids would need a packed lunch now and then for some event, they were aghast at what other kids would bring.   And I don't understand why large institutions can't incorporate healthier meal options.  It's not.that.hard.

[umsami]

DH is an ophthalmologist.  A large portion of his patients have diabetes so severely that they are going blind.  Once your eyes go, you can assume that they also have kidney problems, and amputations are not too far down the line.

 

Yet when he talks to them about what's their HbA1c, diet, etc.... many are clueless.  They act like he's the first doctor who has ever mentioned something to them.  One guy's HbA1c was 13+ (normal non-diabetic is under 5.7) and he thought he was dong fine.

 

As for the diet coke and applesauce, I'm betting those are on the approved list of the hospital post-bypass list.  They're likely still doing the AHA approved diet.  In my experience, the best hospital food I've had in the US has been at the Seventh Day Adventist Run hospitals.  It's still not great, but it's an improvement.

When I went to Vanderbilt, there was an extremely busy McDonald's right outside of the hospital.  Nobody saw any conflict of interest with that.  Some people felt that for the kids who were there to visit an ill parent or had just gone through something traumatic, having something comforting food-wise would help.  I can understand that, but it still seemed really weird to me.  I think at minimum, I'd like to see McDonald's located within spitting distance of a hospital offer a slightly expanded menu which may include more fresh fruit and veggies and perhaps at least a veggie burger or something.  Wishful thinking, I guess.

[unsinkable]

I will JAWY...because you're usually so happy and now you're mad and me scared.

 

No, but seriously...the situations you described don't make a lot of sense to me. Our kids have had many hospitalizations. And if it is because of digestive/abdominal issues, the reintroduction of safe, healthy food is so important.

[SarahW]

Agreeing with you.

 

My FIL was just diagnosed as diabetic. He got a chest cold, and as medicine he got some...honey syrup. Um, what??? I like that stuff as much as the next person (over Robitussin) but - HE'S DIABETIC.

 

wtf

 

 

I once read a book of a guy who talks about visiting his diabetic father in the hospital after his leg amputation. His father's mini-fridge was filled with root beer.  :scared:

 

But what can you do? I have older family members who have more health problems than they know what to do with, but they still eat nothing but processed crap. And it's not that they're too busy or too poor, they're comfortably retired. They'll say "oh yeah, my doctor says I need to eat better and lose some weight" but they don't change. At this point I'm convinced that they actually DON'T WANT  to change, and that they have a deeply disordered relationship with food.

[SparklyUnicorn]

After I gave birth to my second I asked DH to go out and get me a double cheeseburger.  The kitchen at the hospital was closed so the best they could offer me was a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.  That's not going to cut it after giving birth.  :laugh:

 

 

[gardenmom5]

Here's a cushion for your head. Hugs.

Just - some people's children

[mamaraby]

I'd try not to let others' dietary choices get to you, or any decision that doesn't directly affect you.

This. You said JAWM and so I will, but gently...there is no one ideal diet or way of eating. There are lots of ways to be healthy.

[hornblower]

I'm JAWU because I live in a country with public healthcare. People's dietary & exercise stupidities are being funded by my tax dollars.
There are lots of healthy ways to eat but none of them include chicken mcnuggets, fries, pizza & pop as staples.

[Jasperstone]

DH is an ophthalmologist. A large portion of his patients have diabetes so severely that they are going blind. Once your eyes go, you can assume that they also have kidney problems, and amputations are not too far down the line.

 

Yet when he talks to them about what's their HbA1c, diet, etc.... many are clueless. They act like he's the first doctor who has ever mentioned something to them. One guy's HbA1c was 13+ (normal non-diabetic is under 5.7) and he thought he was dong fine.

 

As for the diet coke and applesauce, I'm betting those are on the approved list of the hospital post-bypass list. They're likely still doing the AHA approved diet. In my experience, the best hospital food I've had in the US has been at the Seventh Day Adventist Run hospitals. It's still not great, but it's an improvement.

When I went to Vanderbilt, there was an extremely busy McDonald's right outside of the hospital. Nobody saw any conflict of interest with that. Some people felt that for the kids who were there to visit an ill parent or had just gone through something traumatic, having something comforting food-wise would help. I can understand that, but it still seemed really weird to me. I think at minimum, I'd like to see McDonald's located within spitting distance of a hospital offer a slightly expanded menu which may include more fresh fruit and veggies and perhaps at least a veggie burger or something. Wishful thinking, I guess.

That's one thing about the SDAs- they are great generally with natural therapies, and natural wholesome foods. I'm actually seeing SDA ex doctor, biochemist, herbalist, that specializes in homeopathy and Chinese medicine! Oh yeah, he's gooood!!!!

 

I still wouldn't trust a Mac Donalds veggie burger- it would be full of gmo soy and crap.

 

To the OP- I totally agree!

[Garga]

I don't think it's easy to eat healthily.  (Is healthily a word?)

 

I don't eat the Tuna Helper anymore (well....a few times a year I do indulge.)  I thought I was doing well with what I make, but every time I turn around I find out I'm NOT doing things the right way.  I don't know how to eat good food.  I mean, I just found out that stores inject something or other (juices of some sort) into chicken breasts that you buy.  Wha...? I thought I was safe with chicken, but now I have to figure out which stores inject it with juices and which don't?

 

I thought milk was about the most wholesome thing you can buy....sure, maybe 50 years ago, but now with the low fat options where they remove the fat and add chemicals and/or hormones and whatever, it's not. 

 

I thought applesauce was a great option.  Nope.  As you said: HFCS.

 

Fresh fruit?  Not if the skins are thin and you'll be eating them and they're not organic.  Because if they're not organic, then you'll get cancer from the pesticides.  

 

Wheat bread, but ONLY if it's really wheat bread and they're not faking you out.  You have to read the label for 100% wheat flour or something like that, because they can fool you and you don't know it unless you research it online somewhere. 

 

I could go on and on and on (canned tomatoes are very bad, but glass jarred are ok, but I've never seen glassed tomatoes anywhere), but I'll stop.

 

I can agree with you that the McDonald's thing was over the top, but I do not agree that it's easy to eat well.  I think it's very difficult and I am trying to slowly figure it all out.  I'm a picky eater, too.  Not because I want to be, but because most food truly tastes nasty to me.  It's difficult to find food that's really good for me and not only pretending to be (looking at you wheat bread) that I can also stand to eat with my pickiness.

 

And with all that said, I agree with you mostly.  Mostly the choices people have listed above seen to be no brainers, but I still don't think it's easy to eat well. 

[Jasperstone]

This. You said JAWM and so I will, but gently...there is no one ideal diet or way of eating. There are lots of ways to be healthy.

 

But to be healthy your body needs nutrition, and you can only get that from nourishing foods and juices.

 

It's not like you can eat junk daily, while washing vitamins down with diet Coke to stay healthy.

[Amira]

You all need to come to Mexico when you're sick.  Best hospital food ever.  

[TranquilMind]

OMG!!!  :cursing:

 

I can't vent to these people on Facebook, so I'm going to do it here. Because, O. M. G. These people are dumber than a bag of rocks. (Judgmental much???) Yes, I am. But I just HAVE to get this out- for my own sanity.... to relieve the pressure in my brain....

 

A few months ago, an old friend posted asking for prayers for her young daughter who was suffering from stomach troubles/illness. She had lots of abdominal pain, throwing up, etc. for days. She lost a lot of weight, they couldn't figure out what was wrong with her, she ended up having to go to the Children's Hospital for a few days. Personally, I thought it might have something to do with the Body by Vi shakes she was giving her for "added nutrition". Anyways, several days later she posts pics of her in the hospital saying that they still didn't know what was wrong, but she was getting better, and "she was able to keep down some chicken nuggets, fries and a coke!" (Pic was of girl with her happy meal.)

 

Cue all the people with "Praise the Lord!" "That's so great!" "Way to go {child's name}!" and I'm just sitting here dumbfounded. WHO THE HELL gives MCDONALDS to a child who is in the HOSPITAL for being sick????? I just CANNOT understand such ignorance. I really, really, can't.

 

The next day it was more excitement because she was able to keep down her pizza and fries. :confused1:

 

So, now, a friend from that same small town was giving an update on her husband (only like 40 years old) who just had a heart attack and SIX WAY bypass surgery.... "he is doing better today, he ate some fruit and applesauce, drank a diet coke."

 

SERIOUSLY??? A diet friggin' coke??? Two days after bypass surgery??? And I'm sure the applesauce was loaded with HFCS and the fruit was canned.

 

I mean, COME ON. Are people just SO removed from nutrition that they honestly don't stop to think about what they put in their bodies- ESPECIALLY when those bodies are sick and trying to heal?

 

And don't even get me started on the fact that hospitals are feeding them garbage like this and worse. I mean, seriously, COME ON people!

 

The whole thing reminds me of that Idiocracy movie. It's supposed to be funny- but so often, it seems like that's what we're heading towards.

 

And this is JAWM because my head might explode if I have to read postings about how the food you eat has nothing to do with your health, or how there is nothing wrong with diet coke and aspartame.  :leaving:

I hear you. I've only been hospitalized once, but I had an in-depth discussion with an administrator about the absolute chemical GARBAGE they feed people who are trying to get well.  Ugh.  Well, she asked! 

 

And I've told this story here before, but I was once told by an endocrinologist that "Your diet plays NO role in your overall health".  He was dead before our next appointment.  I thought he was around 80, but the obit said he was 64 years old!   I have declined to listen to that advice, and have seen good results from good food. 

[TranquilMind]

You all need to come to Mexico when you're sick.  Best hospital food ever.  

Really? 

[GailV]

One of our friends is the head chef for a children's hospital.  I'm sure he'd roll his eyes at this story -- he works hard to come up with nourishing, palatable food for sick kids.

 

I buy applesauce sans HFCS all the time, and had forgotten you could purchase it with.  It wouldn't cross my mind that it might have HFCS in it.

 

Many diseases are also problems of the geometry of the body -- way too much sitting being the most egregious problem -- hence recent news stories that "sitting is the new smoking". You can eat according to your concept of healthy and still be screwing up.

[TranquilMind]

After I gave birth to my second I asked DH to go out and get me a double cheeseburger.  The kitchen at the hospital was closed so the best they could offer me was a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.  That's not going to cut it after giving birth.  :laugh:

I agree.  My friend, who attended my birth, make me a steak afterward! ( I think it was organic though). 

[Pod's mum]

In Australia The Golden Arches Inedible Hamburger Joint heavily funds units for families of rural kids with chronic illness.

Therefore some major Children's Hospitals like Melbourne's are 'lucky' enough to get one of their burger places on the hospital grounds.

 

 

[KungFuPanda]

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

[Rosie_0801]

After I gave birth to my second I asked DH to go out and get me a double cheeseburger.  The kitchen at the hospital was closed so the best they could offer me was a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.  That's not going to cut it after giving birth.  :laugh:

 

No, definitely not. It was cake I was going to have after giving birth. After a pregnancy's worth of gestational diabetes. It didn't have to be good cake. It just had to be CAKE!

 

But, idiots, *while I'm still pregnant and diabetic* don't you be feeding me instant potato with a GI of *92.* Don't do that and congratulate yourself on getting my blood sugar levels down *when you have me on a starvation diet!* 

 

Yeah, I got up the next morning, checked myself out of the hospital without waiting for the doctor, and walked home. Instant potato and aspartame desserts, huh? 

[SparklyUnicorn]

I don't think it's easy to eat healthily.  (Is healthily a word?)

 

I don't eat the Tuna Helper anymore (well....a few times a year I do indulge.)  I thought I was doing well with what I make, but every time I turn around I find out I'm NOT doing things the right way.  I don't know how to eat good food.  I mean, I just found out that stores inject something or other (juices of some sort) into chicken breasts that you buy.  Wha...? I thought I was safe with chicken, but now I have to figure out which stores inject it with juices and which don't?

 

I thought milk was about the most wholesome thing you can buy....sure, maybe 50 years ago, but now with the low fat options where they remove the fat and add chemicals and/or hormones and whatever, it's not. 

 

I thought applesauce was a great option.  Nope.  As you said: HFCS.

 

Fresh fruit?  Not if the skins are thin and you'll be eating them and they're not organic.  Because if they're not organic, then you'll get cancer from the pesticides.  

 

Wheat bread, but ONLY if it's really wheat bread and they're not faking you out.  You have to read the label for 100% wheat flour or something like that, because they can fool you and you don't know it unless you research it online somewhere. 

 

I could go on and on and on (canned tomatoes are very bad, but glass jarred are ok, but I've never seen glassed tomatoes anywhere), but I'll stop.

 

I can agree with you that the McDonald's thing was over the top, but I do not agree that it's easy to eat well.  I think it's very difficult and I am trying to slowly figure it all out.  I'm a picky eater, too.  Not because I want to be, but because most food truly tastes nasty to me.  It's difficult to find food that's really good for me and not only pretending to be (looking at you wheat bread) that I can also stand to eat with my pickiness.

 

And with all that said, I agree with you mostly.  Mostly the choices people have listed above seen to be no brainers, but I still don't think it's easy to eat well. 

 

Yeah I know, it is confusing and difficult.  People say stuff like "eat local produce".  Right..no such thing in some place and especially not in winter. 

 

 

[SparklyUnicorn]

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

 

love that movie...

 

love love love...cracks me up every time I watch it

[Rosie_0801]

Yeah I know, it is confusing and difficult.  People say stuff like "eat local produce".  Right..no such thing in some place and especially not in winter. 

 

 

 

I'm reading a book about food storage up in ground freezing in the winter places. It's terribly exciting, but it sounds like a full time job that needs a 20 year apprenticeship to get right, and all you've got is this book.

 

Anyway, not-food items containing neuro-toxins aren't the answer.

[MFG]

I will JAWU that those are poor food choices for a child recovering from an intestinal problem, but nutritional woo annoys me more.

[Acorn]

Probably too much info, but my toddler had intestial problems and diarrhea for two years. So much time trying to figure things out and so many trial diets. We were traveling and stressing about the new trial of the month. I threw up my hands and said it is too hard. We are stopping at McDonalds, it is not like he can feel worse. Not only did we get through the trip without diarrhea, he had his first solid poop ever. That meal was key to figuring out he needed a higher fat content to slow absorption.

[Guest]

My only issue with what you posted is that is was all on FB. Hospital pictures? What an old guy had for lunch?? Is nothing private anymore??

[mamaraby]

But to be healthy your body needs nutrition, and you can only get that from nourishing foods and juices.

 

It's not like you can eat junk daily, while washing it down with vitamins with diet Coke to stay healthy.

That's the only option? Completely healthy - nourishing foods and juices - or junk food all the time? Heck, I find the juices part in your list to be ill-advised and not part of a healthy diet. If you become ill, should I point to your juices and say, "Well, clearly it was the juices that did it. Look at that WTM post where she mentioned juices. Horror!"

 

The OP is looking for people to JAWM. I can agree that it can be frustrating when you feel like other people are making choices that are doing them harm. It's easy to judge people based upon limited snapshots of their life (a FB post, a grocery cart, etc) and feel like you could do it so much better. I can empathize with that, but the fact remains that there are lots of ways to be healthy and at least some of those ways can include "bad" foods. In fact, sometimes it's the bad foods on the return to one's health, that might be just the ticket.

 

All that aside, the OP's stress levels aren't exactly improved by letting it get to her which is why I agreed with SJ when she said:

 

I'd try not to let others' dietary choices get to you, or any decision that doesn't directly affect you.

 

 

P.S. I drink diet coke. :auto:

[Joker]

I've been there with the sick kid in the hospital for tummy issues and lost weight. The doctors themselves actually said they didn't care about healthy; they just wanted her to eat. So, she had mac n cheese first followed by some other junk I wouldn't have let her have since she was having so much trouble. She actually eats rather healthy but that was one time the professionals just wanted her to eat whatever sounded good in that moment. It actually did no harm and she started being able to keep the junk down/in, was released, and is completely fine now. We still don't know what it was but it was several years ago and hasn't happened again.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

Meh.  You sound like one of those types who likes to judge others through the snapshots you see of their lives, and frankly I doubt you the expert in nutrition you seem to think you are.

[*lifeoftheparty*]

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[hornblower]

Meh.  You sound like one of those types who likes to judge others through the snapshots you see of their lives, and frankly I doubt you the expert in nutrition you seem to think you are.

 

:lol:

 

oh the irony

[*lifeoftheparty*]

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[Jasperstone]

That's the only option? Completely healthy - nourishing foods and juices - or junk food all the time? Heck, I find the juices part in your list to be ill-advised and not part of a healthy diet. If you become ill, should I point to your juices and say, "Well, clearly it was the juices that did it. Look at that WTM post where she mentioned juices. Horror!"

 

The OP is looking for people to JAWM. I can agree that it can be frustrating when you feel like other people are making choices that are doing them harm. It's easy to judge people based upon limited snapshots of their life (a FB post, a grocery cart, etc) and feel like you could do it so much better. I can empathize with that, but the fact remains that there are lots of ways to be healthy and at least some of those ways can include "bad" foods. In fact, sometimes it's the bad foods on the return to one's health, that might be just the ticket.

 

All that aside, the OP's stress levels aren't exactly improved by letting it get to her which is why I agreed with SJ when she said:

 

 

How is juicing bad advice? I personally know a guy that cured himself of cancer by going on a juicing diet (cold peessed, not store brought).

 

 

 

And many orher people have made major health improvements- me included.

[Lolly]

I do agree with you. But, when I was pg with twins, I absolutely craved McDs. My obgyn said to go ahead because I was probably needing the fat, salt,  and high calories that was in their foods. So, I did. And, guess what? I felt so much better. Pretty much cured my nausea. I didn't eat it every meal, or even every day; but it was like medicine for me. My body actually seemed to need it. So, I don't tend to judge people's temporary food choices too closely. 

[Rosie_0801]

How is juicing bad advice? I personally know a guy that cured himself of cancer by going on a juicing diet (cold peessed, not store brought).

 

 

 

And many orher people have made major health improvements- me included.

 

A lot of people are bothered by the amount of sugar without the fibre God/natural selection/modernish farming methods intended.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

How is juicing bad advice? I personally know a guy that cured himself of cancer by going on a juicing diet (cold peessed, not store brought).

 

 

 

And many orher people have made major health improvements- me included.

 

Juicing does not cure cancer.  It doesn't even make sense to think it would.

[Lolly]

How is juicing bad advice? I personally know a guy that cured himself of cancer by going on a juicing diet (cold peessed, not store brought).

 

 

 

And many orher people have made major health improvements- me included.

 

And, I know people that it led to diabetes. Too much of anything is not generally a good idea.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

:lol:

 

oh the irony

 

I am not a nutrition expert, but I know enough to know what I don't know.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

Meh. I won't tell you what you sound like.

 

Maybe you can suggest an essential oil to help me out?

[hornblower]

I am not a nutrition expert, but I know enough to know what I don't know.

 

But yanno, the judging someone based on one post thing..... ;)

[Jasperstone]

Juicing does not cure cancer. It doesn't even make sense to think it would.

Well, it's over 20 years ago now and that's all he did.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

But yanno, the judging someone based on one post thing..... ;)

 

It is a bit more than one post. :)

[unsinkable]

Meh. I won't tell you what you sound like.

:lol:

[ChocolateReignRemix]

Well, it's over 20 years ago now and that's all he did.

 

Sounds totally legit.

[amy g.]

If someone really feels that their happy meal,coke, boxed Mac and cheese, Oreos......are just as good as fresh fruit and vegetables, nuts, seeds, dairy and locally humanely raised meat, then I don't get upset. They have a different belief system and that is completely fine. They are doing what they believe is right for their children just like I am.

 

Then there are the people who say that they want to feed their children better but they just can't afford it. I can understand that too.

 

But some people claim that they want to feed their children better but it is too hard for them because they didn't grow up that way and even starting is overwhelming. I don't understand that at all. A lot of things in life are hard. If you believe it would improve your child's health and quality of life, how can you decide it is just too much work?

 

That is like saying, I know I should read to my child, but my parents didn't read to me so it is just too hard. Really?

 

It is obvious that people confound me on a daily basis.

[ThisIsTheDay]

WHO THE HELL gives MCDONALDS to a child who is in the HOSPITAL for being sick????? I just CANNOT understand such ignorance. I really, really, can't.

 

. . .

 

I mean, COME ON. Are people just SO removed from nutrition that they honestly don't stop to think about what they put in their bodies- ESPECIALLY when those bodies are sick and trying to heal?

  :leaving:

 

I do totally agree with you.  Absolutely yes, for the first part quoted up there.  And the second.

 

A coworker was an ovarian cancer survivor.  Seven years later, she had breast cancer.  When she returned to work following her double mastectomy, she was there with her usual Mountain Dew and Pop Tarts.  I think she may have a death wish--or else she's just that stupid.  I don't get it at ALL.

 

 

[umsami]

After I gave birth to my second I asked DH to go out and get me a double cheeseburger.  The kitchen at the hospital was closed so the best they could offer me was a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.  That's not going to cut it after giving birth.  :laugh:

 

LOL.  You reminded me that after I gave birth to DS1 (where I was induced....nothing to eat/drink for a gazillion hours), they told me that the hospital kitchen was closed, and they were sorry but they were out of the breastfeeding Mom snacks too.  So DH went to Wendy's.  It was the best darn tasting cheeseburger I've ever had.  

 

 

I wish that we (Americans) put more emphasis on prevention.  I wish we had actual chefs in our schools and hospitals and gave our kids and our sick people the best possible food.  I wish hospitals were more like the sanitariums of old, where they emphasized beautiful locations, nature, etc.  I think the potential benefits are huge.  I'd at least like to see somebody try.

[Jasperstone]

And, I know people that it led to diabetes. Too much of anything is not generally a good idea.

If it's mainly vegetable juice I doubt that was the cause. I never said fruit only.