SparklyUnicorn Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 ok...but why?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 ok...but why?! Huh? Ds is loving geometry...it comes very easy to him.....algebra he had to work at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Academy Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Me too. :ph34r: Although I have to say, in trying to convince dd that it's worth learning, I'm almost starting to convince myself it has some good points. I like the puzzle-solving aspects of it. I just don't *see* the world geometrically/spatially/whatever. I'm more of a semantic/symbolic girl than a visuospatial girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I thought I hated it in school. I still get that dry-as-toast feeling when I open something like Jurgensen and just look at it (having never used it).However. I *love* AoPS. A whole new world. (Disclaimer, I am relatively visual-spatial.)Dip into geometry on Alcumus from time to time. Sure, sometimes it might make your brain hurt, but in a good way. I do it for distraction from stress. Go ahead, log in, just for one problem; I dare you :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Dip into geometry on Alcumus from time to time. Sure, sometimes it might make your brain hurt, but in a good way. I do it for distraction from stress Marking/grading my kids geometry work is already brain hurting and depleting my coffee supply :lol: Kid just made C60 from his new chemistry model kit that finally arrived tonight without looking at instructions. He enjoys geometry and find alternating with algebra invigorating. He doesn't fancy Jacobs or Holt's geometry though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Geometry was my favorite high school math, I enjoyed figuring out proofs. Algebra 2 on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Loved Geometry, but I struggled with it. I'm with maize, though, Algebra 2? Uh...probably won't be leaping back into that with a lot of enthusiasm. But Sparkly, are you good at Algebra? I find that a lot of people that just "get" Algebra really, really don't enjoy Geometry...what are you using for Geometry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Dd loves geometry and is not looking forward to going back to Algebra 2 in a couple months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm interested in seeing how it goes when we get there. I loved Geometry and found it very intuitive, where Algebra wasn't. DD loves algebra, but tends to get very frustrated with geometry, especially if visuals aren't "correct". She's never done as well on the visual problems for things like MK or math counts as the algebraic/logic/number theory type ones, either. I guess we'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I thought I hated it in school. I still get that dry-as-toast feeling when I open something like Jurgensen and just look at it (having never used it). However. I *love* AoPS. A whole new world. (Disclaimer, I am relatively visual-spatial.) Dip into geometry on Alcumus from time to time. Sure, sometimes it might make your brain hurt, but in a good way. I do it for distraction from stress (akin to doing the crossword during class in law school, but way harder). Go ahead, log in, just for one problem; I dare you :) Beginning serious study of geometry after having dealt with mostly just 'discrete math' may be / feel overwhelming. I, too, love how AOPS deals with geometry. (And many other, well-known, geometry textbooks (with rare exceptions) just turn me off.) In particular, AOPS covers 'angle-chasing' inside and out as the first topic (at the beginning of 'Intro to geometry' book) - to me it looks almost like a game. Try it as an experiment - you might actually like it. (BTW, here is a good definition of 'discrete math': http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/191/S09/whatisdiscmath.html - no pictures, ugh! While geometry is all about 'pictures'. :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (BTW, here is a good definition of 'discrete math': http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/191/S09/whatisdiscmath.html - no pictures, ugh! While geometry is all about 'pictures'. :) ) Graph theory which falls under has plenty of pics which my kids love. I use graph theory for traffic engineering :) http://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/teaching/courses/dmmr/slides/13-14/Ch10.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quark Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Is it the proofs? They made my head hurt too and I was slowing DS down terribly so I outsourced geometry to someone who knew what he was doing. Will using some fun materials help? Like Patty Paper Geometry or this resource? I haven't used the former extensively or used the latter at all (we like to try lots of things so we just never manage to find time to finish them all or even start on some) but if I was relearning geometry I think I would love something gentle first before jumping into proofs, just because of how visual I am and the way I learn. One would think visual people would take to geometry like ducks to water but that wasn't the case with me. Perhaps it's the way the teaching is approached. Perhaps, for some areas, proofs can wait and understanding and love need to come first? Paperfolding, using toothpicks, string, drawing in the sand, playing with Geogebra etc to recreate some of what is seen in the books might bring the person who hates geometry closer to appreciating it. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Haha...for some reason I didn't remember posting that. When I saw it come up I came in here to post "me too!". LOL No I think I hate shapes. I got myself a workbook for basic Geometry so I'm going through that. Too soon to tell if it is helping. DS isn't having trouble with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quark Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Articles that might help: http://www.homeschoolmath.net/teaching/geometry-2.php http://www.education.com/reference/article/why-people-have-difficulty-geometry/ Free edX course: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-geometry-schoolyourself-geometryx#.VJHX13sYNIQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Academy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Articles that might help: http://www.homeschoolmath.net/teaching/geometry-2.php http://www.education.com/reference/article/why-people-have-difficulty-geometry/ Free edX course: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-geometry-schoolyourself-geometryx#.VJHX13sYNIQ And you don't even have to wait for the Edx course - you can set up an account on schoolyourself.org and start working on the Geometry stuff on your own. I've been doing that the last couple of days, and while I haven't gotten past stuff I know, I am so relieved to have found this! I really like the interactive teaching modules. I'm so happy to have somebody besides me to explain this to dd - we are definitely learning together. It's funny, watching her do the first few lessons -she made the exact same mistakes I made. Clearly, we have the same brain! And it highlighted for me that I will need help teaching Geometry - otherwise it's the blind leading the blind around here. Now if we could only find something that helped us understand rate problems . . . :001_rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Is it the proofs? They made my head hurt too and I was slowing DS down terribly so I outsourced geometry to someone who knew what he was doing. Will using some fun materials help? Like Patty Paper Geometry or this resource? I haven't used the former extensively or used the latter at all (we like to try lots of things so we just never manage to find time to finish them all or even start on some) but if I was relearning geometry I think I would love something gentle first before jumping into proofs, just because of how visual I am and the way I learn. One would think visual people would take to geometry like ducks to water but that wasn't the case with me. Perhaps it's the way the teaching is approached. Perhaps, for some areas, proofs can wait and understanding and love need to come first? Paperfolding, using toothpicks, string, drawing in the sand, playing with Geogebra etc to recreate some of what is seen in the books might bring the person who hates geometry closer to appreciating it. Good luck! K doesn't have problems with it. I do. I don't like using physical shapes and materials to explore geometry because I find that confusing. I'm supposed to understand that what I'm looking at is not to be taken literally (except when there are certain markings) and I will explore that by using literal physical shapes? I'm too literal for this. Right off the bat I told K not to take shapes drawn in a math book literally ever. Even if it said to. That eliminates confusion. Where you spend years being told that shapes are literal and then suddenly they aren't. Not that I don't get why books need to do that. You can't put every literal shape in a book. I don't think I'm a visual person either. He's been able to explain things to me that I didn't understand before. Thank goodness he figures stuff out despite me. I do eventually figure stuff out. I didn't quite get something we talked about and I thought about it for a day. I woke up and it came to me. I totally got it. So I'm slowww, but not beyond help. I admit that in school I hated geometry more than just about anything else. I did not pay attention because I hated it. Somehow I passed that class, but I don't really know how I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 It drives me bonkers when they show pictures of things in real life in a book and outline some shape. I always think, I don't see any perfect shapes in most things in real life. Like bricks. Bricks are jagged and pitted and never look quite straight to me. I guess they work anyway, but they aren't perfect shapes. And anyone who has done repair work in an old house knows there is no such thing as a straight line. That's what they make trim for. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 There is a Great courses course called Mathematics from the Visual World that is supposed to be excellent at helping someone tie the abstract world of Geometry to the real world. I think it is only in DVD format but it was on sale this week and comes with the free guidebook. Like maybe $60 - 70 dollars right now instead of $260 or something like that....maybe your library would have it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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