roanna Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 My visual learner / handwriting challenged son excelled in all his subjects but math. From the get go it was difficult. I decided to bite the bullet and try TT3. He is doing math in his head and not complaining about doing his work. Math was a major friction in our day no matter how I tried to do it. I am aware that TT is behind, I agree (I know some disagree) so I am having him do 2 lessons a day. It takes about 45 minutes to complete the lecture and the work. He is progressing so much better. If you have a child like this I would not hesitate to recommend the program. We have the workbook for him to write in but he does not use it or need it. Buying just the CD's would be sufficient. I have a small white board next to him if he needs it but the program asks him to do the problems in his head, which I think is making him much faster at math. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spryte Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Glad it's working for you. We like TT here, too, for the handwriting resistant, visual learner. It's been a great resource! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess4879 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 We use and like TT for my oldest. I do not recommend just using the CD however. They need experience putting pen to paper. The computer will automatically move to the correct position for some problems, etc. I really do think the workbook is necessary to make sure the concepts are mastered and the student isn't using any of the "crutches" offered in the program. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would just add that it would be beneficial to make certain they are retaining the material. Mine didn't without doing work on paper/dry erase too. It just didn't stick. Grades looked great. But retention didn't happen without the physical act of writing things out, too. I think TT is a great program. Don't get me wrong. But there have been several parents, not just me, who found further down the line that their kids were behind in math because of lack of retention/conceptual understanding from just doing TT on the computer. I would highly recommend having most students do TT alongside math games and SOME work on a dry erase board or with paper/pencil to ensure retention long term. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwik Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 If he is doing 2 lessons a day he could always do maths drill on the computer in place of one sometimes and a MM review book later. After all something that works is better than something that doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm not going to change what we are doing right now. It's working well. Parent intuition. I am going to test him this year though because he will be going to school next year. Edit....I guess I should clarify , I have sat behind him while he does the work and before he even uses the mouse he is answering the questions out loud to me. I don't think the program is helping him in that way. He has a great memory and I think this program is just finally teaching it in a way that makes sense to him so that he can retain it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwik Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That is really great. It must make your day a lot nicer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yes, we do not have meltdowns at all anymore, it was all centered around math. On our worst days math would drag into a 2 hour fit of complaining and good days were a big sigh of relief it was over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 FWIW, looking ahead, there will come a time when some handwriting will be necessary. Aside from your scribing for him and using the white board, there's a decent math typing app for elementary called ModMath. (I wish it had been around when my ds was trying to do long division in his head.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I wonder if I'm the only one who thought you were saying that you wanted to use TT but were afraid to. And I was thinking...."But you said he's progressing so much better...why are you afraid to keep using it?!" But, I get it now. I think I need sleep! Anyway, glad to hear a positive review. I have my daughter use the workbook when it's new or more difficult material. Then we input the answers into the computer. But, if it's just review or things I know she is solid on, then we skip the workbook. FWIW, looking ahead, there will come a time when some handwriting will be necessary. Aside from your scribing for him and using the white board, there's a decent math typing app for elementary called ModMath. (I wish it had been around when my ds was trying to do long division in his head.) This is great! So....at the risk of sounding totally ignorant when it comes to modern technology....what is an ipad? We recently got a kindle....but, I'm thinking an ipad is different. Do you know if this would work on a kindle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolamum Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I would just add that it would be beneficial to make certain they are retaining the material. Mine didn't without doing work on paper/dry erase too. It just didn't stick. Grades looked great. But retention didn't happen without the physical act of writing things out, too. I think TT is a great program. Don't get me wrong. But there have been several parents, not just me, who found further down the line that their kids were behind in math because of lack of retention/conceptual understanding from just doing TT on the computer. I would highly recommend having most students do TT alongside math games and SOME work on a dry erase board or with paper/pencil to ensure retention long term. Whoa, so have they changed the way that works then? We had our boy use TT for a little while, but his inability to transfer what he learned to pen & paper unsettled me a little bit as well as the fact that because of how one types vs how one answers a problem he often got them wrong because of how he was working a problem & recording the answers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I would just add that it would be beneficial to make certain they are retaining the material. Mine didn't without doing work on paper/dry erase too. It just didn't stick. Grades looked great. But retention didn't happen without the physical act of writing things out, too. I think TT is a great program. Don't get me wrong. But there have been several parents, not just me, who found further down the line that their kids were behind in math because of lack of retention/conceptual understanding from just doing TT on the computer. I would highly recommend having most students do TT alongside math games and SOME work on a dry erase board or with paper/pencil to ensure retention long term. But, isn't this why TT comes with a gigantic workbook? I agree that a lot of TT users don't seem to use the workbook (which I feel is very vital to the program, because I also agree with having to do the math on paper too). Wouldn't this problem be, at least somewhat, solved by using the workbook that goes along with the program? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 But, isn't this why TT comes with a gigantic workbook? I agree that a lot of TT users don't seem to use the workbook (which I feel is very vital to the program, because I also agree with having to do the math on paper too). Wouldn't this problem be, at least somewhat, solved by using the workbook that goes along with the program? Yes, the gigantic workbook is very beneficial...except sometimes for kids who have any sort of physical writing difficulty. My son has dysgraphia, The workbook was unwieldy and challenging for him to use. I did have him do some work in the workbook and I do encourage people to use the workbook but for kids that have struggles with writing output a dry erase board might be more helpful. I posted because the OP has stated she has a child with writing challenges so the workbook may have been a bad fit for her child, too. She was suggesting no workbook was necessary and for some kids that may well be true. I just wanted to caution parents that have not purchased the workbook or are not encouraging their child to use the workbook to make absolutely certain there is long term retention without any writing output and to suggest that at least dry erase board work would be very important for most, not only for retention but to reinforce ability to write out problems since children will almost certainly have to be able to write out their math problems at some point. And OP, I am very happy that your child is doing well with this program. Math can be such a challenge for so many kids. Enthusiasm is half the battle. Best wishes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 FWIW, while I do believe writing plays a role in retention, it may be difficult to separate out different causes of retention problems for particular kids. There are other possible factors, such as the instructional style and emphasis of the program. (e.g. with TT, the procedural emphasis is controversial and while that may be a strength of the program, some individual students might have greater retention through supplementation with more concept instruction/deeper thinking, more problem-solving, etc.) I don't know how TT is set up, but if not using the workbook means less practice problems overall, then that could be an additional factor regarding retention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yes, the gigantic workbook is very beneficial...except sometimes for kids who have any sort of physical writing difficulty. My son has dysgraphia, The workbook was unwieldy and challenging for him to use. I did have him do some work in the workbook and I do encourage people to use the workbook but for kids that have struggles with writing output a dry erase board might be more helpful. I posted because the OP has stated she has a child with writing challenges so the workbook may have been a bad fit for her child, too. She was suggesting no workbook was necessary and for some kids that may well be true. I just wanted to caution parents that have not purchased the workbook or are not encouraging their child to use the workbook to make absolutely certain there is long term retention without any writing output and to suggest that at least dry erase board work would be very important for most, not only for retention but to reinforce ability to write out problems since children will almost certainly have to be able to write out their math problems at some point. And OP, I am very happy that your child is doing well with this program. Math can be such a challenge for so many kids. Enthusiasm is half the battle. Best wishes... Oh, I see. Thank you for explaining. I would have to say that I wish the print in the workbook was larger....the problems are so tiny. But I wonder if they enlarged the problems, maybe the cost of ink would be higher....who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I don't know how TT is set up, but if not using the workbook means less practice problems overall, then that could be an additional factor regarding retention. The problems in the workbook are exactly the same as the ones on the computer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Oh, I see. Thank you for explaining. I would have to say that I wish the print in the workbook was larger....the problems are so tiny. But I wonder if they enlarged the problems, maybe the cost of ink would be higher....who knows. I think that would be a great idea! Make the print larger. That would be immensely helpful. Also, break the workbook up into two or even three per year so it isn't so thick. CLE does the Light Units and I love how they have 10 unit workbooks per year. It is so much easier to use and far less intimidating. I wish TT would do something more like that for the workbook. I realize cost would probably prevent it but still, it would be nice. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In2why Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 My visual learner / handwriting challenged son excelled in all his subjects but math. From the get go it was difficult. I decided to bite the bullet and try TT3. He is doing math in his head and not complaining about doing his work. Math was a major friction in our day no matter how I tried to do it. I am aware that TT is behind, I agree (I know some disagree) so I am having him do 2 lessons a day. It takes about 45 minutes to complete the lecture and the work. He is progressing so much better. If you have a child like this I would not hesitate to recommend the program. We have the workbook for him to write in but he does not use it or need it. Buying just the CD's would be sufficient. I have a small white board next to him if he needs it but the program asks him to do the problems in his head, which I think is making him much faster at math. We used TT and I liked the program. Our big challenge though was math facts and there just wasn't enough practice for my kiddo to memorize and immediately recall the facts and that is so vital as the math gets harder. I added Timez attack so that my son would have his math facts down cold and being an visual online game tied into Teaching Textbooks very well. It has a free version as well. I did decide to switch to CLE and am very happy, but TT got us over the hump and helped convince my son he wasn't bad at math and for me to get the rest of our schedule and materials worked out so that I felt more confident and ready to handle math with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 I looked at Timez Attack , looks great for a boy. I'll have to look into purchasing it, I don't see the free version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondeviolin Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 My oldest is using TT 4 this year. She's coming from Singapore and Beast Academy which she could do, but there was lots of tears and frustration over math. She needs a bit more of a procedural emphasis. She is more than a fourth of the way through 4 and has yet to come to anything new. She's enjoying the program because it's "easy" and she is feeling a lot more confident while becoming sturdier on procedures and calculations. She will also do 5 this year. I'm not sure if we'll keep with TT, but it's been a confidence building program for her. And she hardly does the workbook because she can calculate much of the work in her head thanks to BA and SM. Sometimes she'll pull down her boogie board and stack a multiple digit and multiple addend addition or subtraction problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 That is exactly why I am glad we are doing it right now. Sometimes just building confidence in a subject is more important than gaining great strides. He felt awful about himself for not getting things. Everything else in school went great but math. Now, he is feeling better about himself and is not complaining. This is not a perfect program, but for kids that have had huge confidence issues in math it can be a real breather for parent and child and build up the confidence to go further. If you don't have a child like this there are dozens of other math programs that would probably be better suited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 That is exactly why I am glad we are doing it right now. Sometimes just building confidence in a subject is more important than gaining great strides. He felt awful about himself for not getting things. Everything else in school went great but math. Now, he is feeling better about himself and is not complaining. This is not a perfect program, but for kids that have had huge confidence issues in math it can be a real breather for parent and child and build up the confidence to go further. If you don't have a child like this there are dozens of other math programs that would probably be better suited. I couldn't agree with you more! This program is great for those of us who need it. It's a wonderful program and I think it's saved so many homeschooled kids from becoming terrified of math while still getting a solid math education. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warneral Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 My experience is that we tried it twice and both times, it started too easy but progressed without much understanding. Yes we tried the workbook. I thought it would work for ds' learning style but it just didn't. The up side is resale is great with TT, so you aren't out too much $ if it doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleBears Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Just a thought. Sometimes kids w/dysgraphia have an easier time with writing if you hand them whiteboard and marker to work with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 I know this is a dead topic now but just had to tell someone that might think this is interesting... I was doing flash cards with my son today for math and I finally figured out what he was doing that is slowing him down so much! Say there is a problem 7 + 8 he has predetermined points on the number 8 that he counts that all add up to 8. Like the top/bottom/sides and the middle counts for 2. They all add up to 8. He was doing this with a ton of numbers. 3 has 3 points : top /middle / bottom. I think this is a pretty extreme for visualness, I had no idea he was doing this. So now I am just trying to get him beyond the point system he has been using and see either 7+7 is 14 and one more is 15 or just straight up that equals 15. This may just start getting us over the hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I was doing flash cards with my son today for math and I finally figured out what he was doing that is slowing him down so much! … Say there is a problem 7 + 8 he has predetermined points on the number 8 that he counts that all add up to 8. Like the top/bottom/sides and the middle counts for 2… 3 has 3 points : top /middle / bottom. ...I think this is a pretty extreme for visualness Wow! That IS extreme! Sounds like he has a VERY developed gift for visualization. :) Consider looking into ways to harness that! For example, DS might find an abacus very useful. Some people are then able to visualize the abacus and do calculations with a "mental abacus". If that is out of your comfort zone, and you you might look at triangle flash cards, which reduce total number of facts to just a handful of "fact families". So, for example 7, 8, 15 each on the point of a triangle flashcard, and you drill by covering one corner with your thumb, so that one card covers four math facts -- 7+8=15, 8+7=15, 15-8=7, 15-7=8 -- but you're always seeing them as numbers with a relationship to one another. That might help him move from visualizing dots on the numbers and counting them, to seeing the actual numbers on the corners, since it is not set up as a traditional addition/subtraction problem that encourages "dot counting". Just a thought! And thanks for sharing. :) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 When he was 4 or 5 , before I started teaching math, he would look at art paintings in restaurants and make math problems. Just simple ones like 2 +3 = 5 , he was seeing something in the painting to add. So I thought "wow, he's going to be great at math" I guess I overestimated what that visual perception is for /does. Maybe he'll be good at geometry. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I guess I overestimated what that visual perception is for /does. No, I don't think you overestimated. Arithmetic (and much of elementary math) is but a small slice of the world of mathematics. Your child sounds very visual-spatial. I would keep that in mind for future curriculum-planning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Unless a miracle happens financially I will have to put my kids in school next year. I did think about a Waldorf math curriculum before using TT because I knew he was visual but was scared about doing something so different. I still think it might be a good thing for him but I didn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I agree that an abacus might really work well to help him have a visual anchor even if the abacus is no longer around. But he would need to work with it every day until he has internalized that process. There are those on these boards that can advise you on how to do that if you are interested. I remember a few interesting threads covering this a while back... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWillSoar Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Do you know how TT compares to Khan? Is one more in depth than another? Which one explains things better? We are currently doing Khan for remediation but I was consider TT in the future for my math struggling child. He seems to be doing pretty well with Khan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I only briefly looked at Khan a while back. Khan is not interactive as far as I understand. Watch the video , do it. Right? With TT you listen to a lecture, practice with the info from the lecture , then actually do your problems like you would with any math curriculum but it is on the computer. You input your answers with the keyboard and it will tell you if you are correct or not. It also grades your students work and lets you know which ones they got wrong. He cannot hide from me what he didn't do correctly. There are also speed drills and quizzes built into the week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I only briefly looked at Khan a while back. Khan is not interactive as far as I understand. Watch the video , do it. Right? With TT you listen to a lecture, practice with the info from the lecture , then actually do your problems like you would with any math curriculum but it is on the computer. You input your answers with the keyboard and it will tell you if you are correct or not. It also grades your students work and lets you know which ones they got wrong. He cannot hide from me what he didn't do correctly. There are also speed drills and quizzes built into the week. Well, maybe someone else can respond better but I think with Khan, if you are signed up for some special way to do it (still free) it tracks and adapts what lessons you are doing. For instance, if your child is doing a certain type of lesson and they don't get all the answers correct then the next set of problems offered up for them to do will adapt to do more of those problems. It isn't linear progression irregardless of how a student does, in other words. FWIW, Khan Academy seems great, but my kids didn't like the interface as well as with TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootAnn Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Say there is a problem 7 + 8 he has predetermined points on the number 8 that he counts that all add up to 8. Like the top/bottom/sides and the middle counts for 2. They all add up to 8. He was doing this with a ton of numbers. 3 has 3 points : top /middle / bottom. I think this is a pretty extreme for visualness, I had no idea he was doing this. So now I am just trying to get him beyond the point system he has been using and see either 7+7 is 14 and one more is 15 or just straight up that equals 15. I won't name any names, but there are some adults who do this ... to this day ... especially when they are tired and don't want to exercise their mental muscles. Four also lends itself to this "predetermined counting points" thing. A six might be mentally 'counted on' with two columns of three dots - like a domino. I have a very visual daughter who does this when she's regrouping. You can physically see her pencil making the dots before she writes the answer. To some extent, mental math techniques work (but not when the brain is already overloaded) and Xtramath helps make some of the lower math facts automatic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I asked him at dinner last night and the only numbers that have points are 2,3,4,5, and 8. It really helped give insight into why it was taking him so long. I read more about visual learners and they said do not hold a visual learner back just because they can't remember all their math facts. They will still be able to do higher math functions even if they cannot recall 2+6 right away. Not saying every child will be like that but I suspect my son will be ok. (he can do 2+6 but he'll get stumped more often on 9+6 type facts) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 … do not hold a visual learner back just because they can't remember all their math facts. They will still be able to do higher math functions even if they cannot recall 2+6 right away. Absolutely true here! DS#2 is a very visual-spatial learner, and was over 12yo before he had most (still not all) of math facts memorized. A very bright dear friend of mine was not able to memorize math facts until she was in middle school and finally was able to memorize some skip count or math fact songs, and to this day, runs through the song quickly to get to the math fact she needs. Some people are just not going to be able to memorize math facts—or at least, not through traditional methods such as flash cards or timed drills. It was not for lack of trying MANY methods here that DS#2 couldn't get them. Math facts in some form were a part of his daily math routine from 1st grade all the way through 6th grade. He was still able to do math even without the facts memorized. He did best with (in this order): - skip count songs - School House Rock: Multiplication Rock songs - visual image/story method of memorization (like Times Tales) - using math (add/subtract) playing board games and card games - triangle flashcards (creates connections between 3 numbers) Some children do better with a math facts chart handy to refer to; eventually, through constant use, they absorb at least some of the facts this way. BEST of luck, whatever you decide to do/not do about math facts. Warmest regards, Lori D. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 I just wanted to give an update if anyone is wondering.... We finished TT3 in January. That was my goal. I planned to get TT4 and use that from January through the summer so that he would be ready for public school in the fall. I was concerned about how TT was compared to what other kids were doing around me locally. A mom of another 3rd grader gave me a pack of her sons current homework (in January) and it was pretty much exactly what my son was doing at the end of TT3. I felt relieved that he was on target with other kids but realized that TT3 stopped where other curriculums were only at their halfway point. So I am really glad I bought TT4 to continue. The curriculum I was given from the mother was from a private school that used Bob Jones math. So, in all, I am very glad we used TT3. It worked for us and helped my son not to feel overloaded but at the same time I am having to use nearly two years of curriculum to keep him current with other children. I would do it again the same way because it built his confidence. (Another friend, however, has a 2nd grader using Horizons 2nd grade that is doing the same material from TT3. So that curriculum is obviously much further than BJ or TT) Just another edit...after reading my first post again... by the end of TT3 my son had changed his preference and chose to use only the book and not the computer disc at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 :hurray: Glad it worked! … We finished TT3 in January. That was my goal. I planned to get TT4 and use that from January through the summer so that he would be ready for public school in the fall… … So, in all, I am very glad we used TT3. It worked for us and helped my son not to feel overloaded … I would do it again the same way because it built his confidence... And really, this is all that matters! You found what helped you and DS achieve the goal! Don't worry about what anyone else is using or doing. :) BEST of luck for next year! Warmest regards, Lori D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PentecostalMom Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 We moved from Horizons to TT as well. My 8 yo really loves math now! She also does xtramath.org and we do flash cards periodically. I think she is progressing fine and while she will complete 1.5+ levels of TT in one year, as long as she is solid, I am okay with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 TT is right on grade level. Some may not agree because many HS math programs are actually above grade level which may make TT appear to be behind. The workbooks start out with several lessons of review before jumping in as do many public school math programs. We love lots of review. :) I would not recommend using TT without the workbooks. After completing the DVD lecture, my kids do the work on paper and I type in the answers. This helps me to keep on top of where they are and what needs review. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomOfABunch Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 FWIW, looking ahead, there will come a time when some handwriting will be necessary. Aside from your scribing for him and using the white board, there's a decent math typing app for elementary called ModMath. (I wish it had been around when my ds was trying to do long division in his head.) Thank you for posting this! I did not know this app existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomOfABunch Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I won't name any names, but there are some adults who do this ... to this day ... especially when they are tired and don't want to exercise their mental muscles. Four also lends itself to this "predetermined counting points" thing. A six might be mentally 'counted on' with two columns of three dots - like a domino. I have a very visual daughter who does this when she's regrouping. You can physically see her pencil making the dots before she writes the answer. To some extent, mental math techniques work (but not when the brain is already overloaded) and Xtramath helps make some of the lower math facts automatic. This is the philosophy behind Touch Math Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanna Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 The mom who let me see her son's math and where he was at happens to also do the dots. But I was encouraged because the more he memorized the less he said he was reliant on the marks. My son is also doing it much less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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