Kathryn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Have you seen this? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homeschool Example sentences: If you wish to teach your children such nonsense, then homeschool where lame propaganda can remain unchallenged. If she can't find anyone willing to validate her helicopter parenting, she'll homeschool. If you want to keep your kids from reality and turn them into mindless automaton copies of yourself, homeschool them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2bee Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Hit the "down" arrow and the other sentences appear. The full list is... The kits are also available through school and homeschool suppliers, and toy and gift catalogs. So this year, along with our other homeschool subjects, we've been doing a unit on food. Parents may homeschool their children for a number of reasons. In order to homeschool, parents may need to dedicate a significant amount of time to schooling their children. If you wish to teach your children such nonsense, then homeschool where lame propaganda can remain unchallenged. If she can't find anyone willing to validate her helicopter parenting, she'll homeschool. If you want to keep your kids from reality and turn them into mindless automaton copies of yourself, homeschool them. I dont have an account there and have never tried, but I'm pretty sure users can submit example sentences for words, and I'm also pretty sure that you can report unacceptable example sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammi K Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I just looked and the 'homeschool supplier' sentence is at the top. Apparently, they change the order from time to time. Meh... edit: typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm on my phone and the three I copied are the only ones I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiden Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 From my email to dictionary.com ... I was appalled at three of the sentences your website uses as examples of how to use "homeschool" in a sentence: If you wish to teach your children such nonsense, then homeschool where lame propaganda can remain unchallenged. If she can't find anyone willing to validate her helicopter parenting, she'll homeschool.If you want to keep your kids from reality and turn them into mindless automaton copies of yourself, homeschool them. The other three sentences are much less offensive and are more appropriate for a website that professes as part of its mission statement that its goals are to "Do the right thing" and "Foster respect": The kits are also available through school and homeschool suppliers, and toy and gift catalogs. So this year, along with our other homeschool subjects, we've been doing a unit on food. Parents may homeschool their children for a number of reasons. In order to homeschool , parents may need to dedicate a significant amount of time to schooling their children. I respectfully request that you delete the three offensive examples from your website. Thank you. edited because the browser messed up the formatting ... if it's still messed up, I'll just leave it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 These are the four I see. I don't think any of them are particularly illustrative. Example sentences The kits are also available through school and homeschool suppliers, and toy and gift catalogs. If she can't find anyone willing to validate her helicopter parenting, she'll homeschool . If you want to keep your kids from reality and turn them into mindless automaton copies of yourself, homeschool them. So this year, along with our other homeschool subjects, we've been doing a unit on food. Here is what the online OED shows, just for comparison: home-school, v. Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈhəʊmËŒskuËl/ , U.S. /ˈhoÊŠmËŒskul/ Etymology: < home n.1 + school v.1, after home school n. Educ. trans. To educate (a child, esp. one's own) in the home. Also intr. 1981 Christian Sci. Monitor (Midwestern ed.) (Nexis) 9 Apr. b23 Many believe their children could score well on college entrance exams... Many parents, in fact, think the novelty of being home-schooled may work in their favor. 1984 Daily Tel. 9 Feb. 17/5, I home-schooled the children for six months,..until all three started school in September. 1992 R. H. Limbaugh Way Things ought to Be xxv. 276 Parents are fed up and worried, so much so that many are now home-schooling their kids. 1997 Christian Order Mar. 187 You don't have to be a qualified teacher to homeschool. 2001 J. Franzen Corrections 49 My parents have always been my best friends. They homeschooled me till seventh grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkyandtheBrains. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 They have changed the sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Looks like they deleted the controversial ones, leaving only the basic ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkyandtheBrains. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Send a new email, they've mass emailed many people saying they are fixed. I don't see them, maybe it's cached? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibiche Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Aw, that's nothing. Did you ever see the definition of "The Well-Trained Mind Forum" on Urban Dictionary?!!! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Well-Trained+Mind+Forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I now see these: Examples for homeschool The kits are also available through school and homeschool suppliers, and toy and gift catalogs. So this year, along with our other homeschool subjects, we've been doing a unit on food. Parents may homeschool their children for a number of reasons. In order to homeschool, parents may need to dedicate a significant amount of time to schooling their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Aw, that's nothing. Did you ever see the definition of "The Well-Trained Mind Forum" on Urban Dictionary?!!! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Well-Trained+Mind+Forum :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Aw, that's nothing. Did you ever see the definition of "The Well-Trained Mind Forum" on Urban Dictionary?!!! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Well-Trained+Mind+Forum Yep, that's why I stay here. All the Obama bashing. Warms my abusive, child whipping heart. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Aw, that's nothing. Did you ever see the definition of "The Well-Trained Mind Forum" on Urban Dictionary?!!! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Well-Trained+Mind+Forum Yes, I have. But I think the expectations of urbandictionary and dictionary.com are quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammi K Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 What conventions have you people been going to? I have never purchased a whip at a convention and now I feel like I'm missing something. Seriously, I've been going to the wrong ones. I've only been able to find large wood spoons and paddles. But, a whip is so much cooler. :coolgleamA: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieSong Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I now see these: Examples for homeschool The kits are also available through school and homeschool suppliers, and toy and gift catalogs. The first time I read this, I thought it said, "The KILTS are also available through school and homeschool suppliers..." I need to go to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 What conventions have you people been going to? I have never purchased a whip at a convention and now I feel like I'm missing something. Seriously, I've been going to the wrong ones. I've only been able to find large wood spoons and paddles. But, a whip is so much cooler. :coolgleamA: I haven't been to a convention in years, but given this new information, I might have to start going to them again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiden Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I received a response from dictionary.com: Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We value the homeschooling community and education in all forms. These example sentences have been removed because they do not meet our editorial standards. Our 1,605,969 example sentences have been pulled programmatically from reputable publications online over the course of the last ten years, and our lexicographers are constantly reviewing them to ensure that our site is a reference source of the highest quality. As a small team, we appreciate you bringing this issue to our attention so that we could quickly fix this situation. Would you be able to share with us where you first discovered this issue? We would like to inform them of this change also. Sincerely, EvelynCommunity SupportDictionary.com And I just checked; the objectionable sentences weren't listed anymore. Interestingly the corp that owns Dictionary dot com also own OkCupid which has been in the news lately for performing psychological experiments on their members: http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/13068144-95/okcupid-used-its-daters-as-lab-rats-and-thats-ok Hmm, makes me wonder about the reason behind the "where did you hear about this" question ... :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Aw, that's nothing. Did you ever see the definition of "The Well-Trained Mind Forum" on Urban Dictionary?!!! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Well-Trained+Mind+Forum Man, I guess I missed all the Obama bashing, whip comparing, anti-atheists threads :huh: I must be better at avoiding the drama than I thought. ;) #wtmcrazies# #whipsforsale# #obamathealien# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The first time I read this, I thought it said, "The KILTS are also available through school and homeschool suppliers..." I need to go to bed. They should sell them alongside the whips at the conventions. Kilts plus whips....hmmmm. Could make for interesting teA time, bwahaha. I might need to start going to these conventions after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The first time I read this, I thought it said, "The KILTS are also available through school and homeschool suppliers..." I need to go to bed. That is how I read it as well. Clearly, I spend way too much time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 What conventions have you people been going to? I have never purchased a whip at a convention and now I feel like I'm missing something. Seriously, I've been going to the wrong ones. I've only been able to find large wood spoons and paddles. But, a whip is so much cooler. :coolgleamA: They were for sale, and indeed recommended in the keynote speech, at the only homeschool convention I ever attended. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 They were for sale, and indeed recommended in the keynote speech, at the only homeschool convention I ever attended. L Oh my GOD! That's horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 They were for sale, and indeed recommended in the keynote speech, at the only homeschool convention I ever attended. L Oh wow. Are you serious or joking? Wow. Just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Oh wow. Are you serious or joking? Wow. Just wow. Absolutely serious. It was a homeschool conference held in Hong Kong in 2003. Most of the people attending were American missionaries working illegally in China. The keynote speech was about 'discipline in the homeschool'. The use of whips was specifically advocated, as was the name of the company that supplied them. The speaker talked about how right it was that he whipped his teenage daughter even though she begged for mercy. His wife was right there agreeing with him. Unfortunately I have changed email since then, and I can't find the email of protest I sent afterwards. The organiser later agreed that the speech had been 'misjudged'. Now I come to think of it, I don't think the whips were actually for sale there - the speaker had one, and gave purchase information. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 It's been all over a fb homeschool group I am in, a husband sent an email to the hosts of that page about the outrage over teh sentences and since then the new ones have been showing up. Since it is regular people that post them I think the more positive ones were added by homeschoolers as they saw that page because initially none of the "good" ones were there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Absolutely serious. It was a homeschool conference held in Hong Kong in 2003. Most of the people attending were American missionaries working illegally in China. The keynote speech was about 'discipline in the homeschool'. The use of whips was specifically advocated, as was the name of the company that supplied them. The speaker talked about how right it was that he whipped his teenage daughter even though she begged for mercy. His wife was right there agreeing with him. Unfortunately I have changed email since then, and I can't find the email of protest I sent afterwards. The organiser later agreed that the speech had been 'misjudged'. Now I come to think of it, I don't think the whips were actually for sale there - the speaker had one, and gave purchase information. L Sounds like the parenting course I took at the church I attended back in the city. I loved this church, so when they offered a parenting course I jumped at the chance to take it, I was having a really rough go with the kids (it was pre-diagnosis for 3 of the kids). I had never heard of the Ezzos, 'nuff said. A whole chapter on how to pick the right switch, where you could buy the right one and how to use it on kids of all ages including infants. I was disgusted and appalled. and after the church leaders running the course defended it's use when I argued that it was abuse I could never look at the church the same way again. We stopped going and then we moved. I have not attended a church since, first because of this then just due to logistics, but there was no way I was going to support a place that taught it was okay to switch babies/children. These we not homeschoolers but I can absolutely see a faction of homeschoolers going with the spare the rod business and taking that to mean using a whip. Because we all know Christ advocated for the whipping of little children *eyeroll* The whipping is not what gives homeschooling a bad name, it is what gives Christians a bad name and immediately puts people on edge when they hear the words "biblical discipline" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann.without.an.e Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Sounds like the parenting course I took at the church I attended back in the city. I loved this church, so when they offered a parenting course I jumped at the chance to take it, I was having a really rough go with the kids (it was pre-diagnosis for 3 of the kids). I had never heard of the Ezzos, 'nuff said. A whole chapter on how to pick the right switch, where you could buy the right one and how to use it on kids of all ages including infants. I was disgusted and appalled. and after the church leaders running the course defended it's use when I argued that it was abuse I could never look at the church the same way again. We stopped going and then we moved. I have not attended a church since, first because of this then just due to logistics, but there was no way I was going to support a place that taught it was okay to switch babies/children. These we not homeschoolers but I can absolutely see a faction of homeschoolers going with the spare the rod business and taking that to mean using a whip. Because we all know Christ advocated for the whipping of little children *eyeroll* The whipping is not what gives homeschooling a bad name, it is what gives Christians a bad name and immediately puts people on edge when they hear the words "biblical discipline" Ezzo, Ezzo, Ezzo....don't get me started. I think I mentioned in a thread once that the worst parenting advice ever given to me was given by the mom of two young kids. She was an Ezzo fan :banghead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Strawberry Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 :huh: Uh. Yeah. I think they are talking about a different homeschool forum. Possibly the one that deleted all my posts because I mentioned being Buddhist, but still sends me spam three years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leav97 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I don't care deeply, but frankly the sentences don't really help to define homeschooling except to clearly infer that homeschooling is something crazy done by crazy people. There are days I think I'm crazy for choosing homeschooling. Does that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Is it common to whip children in Hong Kong? I ask because I have seen people selling whip-like things on the street when visiting my in-laws; once my husband pointed it out to me, but I totally didn't know what it was. I guess people like to keep them around the house, even if they don't use them, just as some implied threat? Not really sure. But it's got zero to do with homeschooling. And it's one thing if it's people in their own culture, talking about common behavior. But American missionaries? That's rather odd. The whole thing is disturbing. No wonder you never went to another convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Is it common to whip children in Hong Kong? I ask because I have seen people selling whip-like things on the street when visiting my in-laws; once my husband pointed it out to me, but I totally didn't know what it was. I guess people like to keep them around the house, even if they don't use them, just as some implied threat? Not really sure. But it's got zero to do with homeschooling. And it's one thing if it's people in their own culture, talking about common behavior. But American missionaries? That's rather odd. The whole thing is disturbing. No wonder you never went to another convention. All of those attending the convention were American, Australian or European. The speakers were all also expatriates. There were no Hong Kong Chinese at the conference. The keynote speech had everything to do with a certain strand of homeschooling culture. ETA: the whip supplier was overseas as well. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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