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Dear boardies,

 

Some of you may be aware that we are launching online classes for middle school and high school students: The Well-Trained Mind Academy. The courses follow the methods described in the Well-Trained Mind, and I have been working closely with our Dean of the School, Steve Otto, to hire teachers, design the courses, and assure the quality of the instruction.

 

The Academy website is here: http://www.wtmacademy.com.

 

I wanted to introduce you to Steve and give you the chance to ask him any questions you might have. So, here's a virtual introduction: Hive, meet Steve. Steve, meet Hive.

 

SWB

 

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Hello all! My name is Steve Otto, and I am the Dean for the Well-Trained Mind Academy. As a home schooling family for over ten years, my family and I couldn't be more excited to help others in the home school community!  

 
I attended the Air Force Academy, served as an officer in the Air Force and worked in business sales and management for 15 years. Most recently I have returned from four years of community development in Guatemala.
 
Please check out our website (WTMacademy.com), sign up to receive updates on our new class and promotion launches, and I would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have!
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Excellent questions!  I'll reply by topic:

 

Science Labs: Not every high school science course requires a lab. In most cases, students need three high school science courses on their transcript, one of which must be a lab science. Our courses count as non-lab high school courses.

 

Younger Students: In each of our course descriptions we list the recommended ages for each course.  However, we believe that the parent knows their student better than general guidelines ever could, so you'll be pleased to know that we leave the final decision in your hands. To help parents make this decision for our first two levels of Expository Writing classes, we offer a link to a writing level assessment in these course descriptions.

 

Steve O.

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I posted this question on the WTM Academy website but haven't heard back. I'd like to sign up all 4 kids for WWS1. The younger two will be homeschooled, and the older two will be after-schooled. 

 

Does WWS1 require class participation, in that, the child has to be at the computer at class time? I'd like to have instructor feedback for assignments, but my older two will be in school during the scheduled times.

 

Would this arrangement work in any capacity?

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Excellent questions!  I'll reply by topic:

 

Science Labs: Not every high school science course requires a lab. In most cases, students need three high school science courses on their transcript, one of which must be a lab science. Our courses count as non-lab high school courses.

 

 

 

I'd urge parents to check with their local school districts on that. I know that the school district I just moved from required "4 laboratory sciences" for graduation, and the school district I moved to in another state describes the sciences required for graduations to include lab work. I honestly can't imagine teaching chemistry or biology without lab work. 

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I am really hoping that the WTM Academy considers evening, weekend, and/or summer sessions for expository writing for those of us who afterschool. I think most parents feel like they could use help with teaching writing. Even if they have asynchronous classes with perhaps feedback on papers via email, then that would be fantastic and better than no options at all.

 

I do see the 5pm class for one writing class. However if you survey parents, you might find that 7pm or 8pm better due to extra-curriculars and what not.

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KKinMN,

 

I agree with you--parents should always check with their local school districts. If your district requires three or four lab sciences, the Academy science classes are probably not for you.

 

Three lab sciences is far from standard, though. (Four is really unusual.)

 

Virginia requires three years of science, but only one lab; my two older sons both met this requirement and were admitted to Virginia universities. 

 

California simply requires two years of science for graduation (http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/gs/hs/hsgrscience.asp); UC asks for three years, of which two should be a lab, for freshman admission; CSU asks for only one lab science. http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/gs/hs/hsgrtable.asp.

 

North Carolina does not require a lab science at all (although I think that every high school student should have at least one): http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/curriculum/home/graduationrequirements.pdf.

 

Utah and Alaska do not specify a lab science: http://www.schools.utah.gov/CURR/gradinfo/Home/High-School-Requirements-by-Year.aspx and http://www.asdk12.org/students/graduation//

 

Washington (state) requires one lab and one "without lab" science for graduation: http://www.k12.wa.us/graduationrequirements/requirement-credits.aspx

 

Iowa simply specifies "three years of science" and leaves details up to the localities: https://www.educateiowa.gov/graduation-requirements.

 

I could go on, but this is so variable from state to state, and district to district, and year to year, that parents MUST check their local requirements. (In Nevada, for example, some districts ask for for 1 lab science, some for none, and some for three.)

 

College admissions offices, which are mostly unconnected to those continually shifting state requirements, are generally happy with 1 or 2 lab sciences. Ivy League will expect 2 or 3, 4 only for students who intend to study sciences.

 

SWB

 

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KKinMN,

 

I agree with you--parents should always check with their local school districts. If your district requires three or four lab sciences, the Academy science classes are probably not for you.

If you wanted a lab for every science course, you could still sign up for the Academy science class and  "homeschool" the lab component.

 

 

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I signed my older kids up for the chemistry class knowing that there weren't labs. There is a local homeschool group that is doing just the labs for chemistry that I will use if I can. I am waiting on signing them up for the labs, though, because there are only 3 kids in the chemistry class and I am concerned that it will be cancelled.

 

Do you have any idea of when cancel or go decisions will be made? Or how many students are necessary for a class to happen?

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Thanks again for good questions and for cheering us on!

 

Time Required: We recommend about 4-5 hours of preparation outside the classroom for each course.  For courses that meet twice each week (writing, math, and science) an extra hour or two should be expected.  Part of the reason for a second lecture each week for these courses is the amount of content, review, or homework (or all of these).  The extra lecture for these courses will provide instructors sufficient time to adapt the second lecture to the type of class or to the specific needs of their students.

 

Section Finalization: The good news is, it is unlikely that we will cancel sections this first year. However since, like most schools, we won't achieve full enrollment until the last minute, we will not make that call until just before classes begin. Today is our launch to a much wider audience, so enrollment will jump quickly.

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Three lab sciences is far from standard, though. (Four is really unusual.)

 

Virginia requires three years of science, but only one lab; my two older sons both met this requirement and were admitted to Virginia universities. 

 

 

College admissions offices, which are mostly unconnected to those continually shifting state requirements, are generally happy with 1 or 2 lab sciences. Ivy League will expect 2 or 3, 4 only for students who intend to study sciences.

 

SWB

 

I admit we are a bit of a science oriented family.  I am a physician, one of DH's undergraduate degrees was in engineering, and most of our kids so far seem mostly science focused so I completely acknowledge that we may not be the typical family.  Having said that, I suppose I do consider both biology and chemistry with labs as the norm for all kids (i.e. even DFS who is now a state police detective completed these courses plus two more lab sciences) so I am curious about what science you would recommend to be the lab science if it wasn't biology or chemistry.

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is it possible to take these courses but it be on the internet for the ectra lectures?  We live overseas and our internet is very slow.  loading videos and live chats take hours....i don't think DS would be able to always actively participate if that is the case.  We will be stateside in January so perhaps we just need to wait.

 

 

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is it possible to take these courses but it be on the internet for the ectra lectures?  We live overseas and our internet is very slow.  loading videos and live chats take hours....i don't think DS would be able to always actively participate if that is the case.  We will be stateside in January so perhaps we just need to wait.

 

 

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I admit we are a bit of a science oriented family.  I am a physician, one of DH's undergraduate degrees was in engineering, and most of our kids so far seem mostly science focused so I completely acknowledge that we may not be the typical family.  Having said that, I suppose I do consider both biology and chemistry with labs as the norm for all kids (i.e. even DFS who is now a state police detective completed these courses plus two more lab sciences) so I am curious about what science you would recommend to be the lab science if it wasn't biology or chemistry.

 

I have the same concern. I am especially concerned for a chemistry course with no lab.  Of all the science courses, that one most needs, perhaps even demands, a lab in order to be a complete course. 

 

I realize that providing a lab component can be logistically troublesome, but it could be done as an extra lecture or even an uploaded (like youtube) video session that is required each week. 

 

Just my thought here, but if you can make a lab component work for it, I'd be willing to commit to chemistry for next year (the 2015-2016 year). 

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We are definitely planning towards  lab classes next fall, just trying not to overextend ourselves this year because we are anxious to provide the highest quality education we can. The current chemistry class is conceptual chemistry.

 

Thanks to all of your for your interest--and yes, lab science is definitely on the agenda for 2014-2015.

 

SWB

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For those of you who are science oriented, there is a place for non-lab classes. One possible path would be to do Conceptual Physics in 9th grade, Conceptual Chemistry in 10th grade, and then dual-enroll with a university or community college for biology, chemistry, and physics for 11th and 12th grade, or do AP sciences then. Doing physics then chemistry then bio makes sense from a cumulative knowledge base point of view. They are usually reversed in US public schools because of the math requirements for each. Taking conceptual physics first solves this problem, since the math usually is not as complicated.

 

Just in case this helps someone,

 

Nan

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I also was wondering about the timing of the courses for people living outside the US. I'm very interested in having my new high schooler take WTM Academy classes throughout high school, but committing to year-long classes at certain hours will be very difficult for us some years depending on where we live and if we have mid-year moves to different time zones. This would be a fairly common problem for many expats, many of whom have an education budget available to take online classes.

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I signed my son up for Biology (and even convinced my friend to sign her son up as well!) and now I just keep my fingers crossed that the section doesn't get cancelled. I feel like I'm taking a leap of faith and just hope I'm not left having to scramble to find something else if it gets cancelled at the last minute.

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Keep the questions coming!  Several of the questions being asked are answered on our FAQ page (which is nicely organized by category) and on our Course Descriptions page (also organized by subject). So I'll answer the others:

 

International students: We're launching a program within the next few weeks just for international students! This program will accommodate the time difference for lectures by allowing students to watch a recorded class within 24 hours of the live lecture. Assignments are still due within 24 hours of the rest of the class. This is not to be confused with asynchronous classes (which record classes and do not have firm assignment due dates). We won't offer asynchronous classes this academic year.

 

Section cancellations: As we've researched both brick-and-mortar and other online schools, it is extremely normal to have only "early birds" or "pre-registration" until the end of July.  August is historically when the majority of families register. Again, we'll be unlikely to cancel sections in our first academic year since we have been very conservative with the number and types of courses offered.

 

Also, you can stay updated on any promotions, new programs (we have several more we are launching this summer), and additional sections for existing courses by subscribing to our updates and following the WTM Academy Facebook page.  

 

Please don't forget to "like" us on Facebook and spread the word to families you know about this great opportunity for home schooling families!

 

Thanks!

Steve O.

 

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International students: We're launching a program within the next few weeks just for international students! This program will accommodate the time difference for lectures by allowing students to watch a recorded class within 24 hours of the live lecture. Assignments are still due within 24 hours of the rest of the class. This is not to be confused with asynchronous classes (which record classes and do not have firm assignment due dates). We won't offer asynchronous classes this academic year.

 

 

 

Can afterschoolers take this program as well if there are no sections that accommodate after school hours, especially in different time zones? 

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Excellent questions!  I'll reply by topic:

 

Science Labs: Not every high school science course requires a lab. In most cases, students need three high school science courses on their transcript, one of which must be a lab science. Our courses count as non-lab high school courses.

 

Younger Students: In each of our course descriptions we list the recommended ages for each course.  However, we believe that the parent knows their student better than general guidelines ever could, so you'll be pleased to know that we leave the final decision in your hands. To help parents make this decision for our first two levels of Expository Writing classes, we offer a link to a writing level assessment in these course descriptions.

 

Steve O.

 

I signed up my daughter for the Expository Writing I and will be doing the assessment with her.

Would the Year Four Mastery Evaluation (last 18 pgs of the download) be enough to gauge her abilities?

Thanks!

Maria

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Also, you can stay updated on any promotions, new programs (we have several more we are launching this summer), and additional sections for existing courses by subscribing to our updates and following the WTM Academy Facebook page.  

 

A hint on these might be helpful, many of us start some of our classes next month and are making any final decisions now.

 

I'm glad to hear you have plans for labs in the future.

 

Why did you take the seat counts down on the website?  I think they are helpful for people making decisions, and some of those sessions were almost full back when I registered.

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I'll be the one to ask it: secular, neutral, or Christian based courses? 

I believe this is answered on the FAQ page. 

 

In line with the philosophy set forth in The Well-Trained Mind, we believe that parents have the responsibility to teach and nurture their children in their faith. Instructors at our Academy will not proselytize for Christianity or any other faith, and they will not assume that all students share a common religious tradition.

 

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International students: We're launching a program within the next few weeks just for international students! This program will accommodate the time difference for lectures by allowing students to watch a recorded class within 24 hours of the live lecture. Assignments are still due within 24 hours of the rest of the class. This is not to be confused with asynchronous classes (which record classes and do not have firm assignment due dates). We won't offer asynchronous classes this academic year.

 

 

Thanks!

Steve O.

I am hoping the classes for internationalm students could also be taken by afterschoolers. I am unclear of what you mean by when assignment would be due though. Do you mean it would be due 24 hours after the live class time? This would be tricky if that were the case if as student watched the recorded class 12 to 20 hours after the live class and had to complete an assignment within a few hours after watching the recording. Actually I am hoping that most assignment would be given a few days to complete them.

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Being curious about the bio, I tried to click on it after following your course descriptions link.  Nothing happened.  This is probably because I am running an old version of explorer.  I haven't tried chrome.  I know that many WTM people use older technology.  I'm not complaining or saying that you should fix it.  I just thought you might like to know, especially if you get many questions here for which you have already supplied answers on your website.

 

Nan

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Thank you for your questions. I'll consolidate the topics below:

 

Schedule Conflicts: We've had lots of questions from international students, after school students, and others who have schedule conflicts and can't attend a course during the times currently offered. We're evaluating this week how far we can expand the program that I described earlier in the thread for international students. We value the interaction of a live classroom environment, and the further we move from this distinctive of our Academy, the more risk we run of becoming just a canned correspondence course (too many of us have been disappointed by these, including my own family). This concerns us, but if possible, we want to balance this by providing a needed resource to home schooling families. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this as a community. 

 

Related to these types of classes, when would assignments be due? In a once or twice weekly lecture environment of our Academy, if a lecture is on Monday, assignments for the lecture topic would, at the earliest, be due much later in the week or by the following Monday. Each instructor will determine his or her own schedule for quizzes and tests, but the goal is to keep the integrity of the syllabi for all students. This also prevents an extra burden on the instructors by allowing them to grade all of the assignments at the same time.

 

WWS syllabi: We expect the instructors to follow the outline of the books. 

 

Writing Four Year Mastery Evaluation: I'll check with our instructor and post a reply shortly.

 

Upcoming programs: Good point that many people are making decisions and it might be helpful to give some type of preview. We just announced payment plans (details here)! We are working out the final details for writing tutoring (with hopes of expanding this to other courses... see Susan's thread on this), and the above-mentioned international students (with the possibility of expanding). We are also working with our instructors this week to firm up the details for science lab options.

 

Internet Explorer: I tested the link from the course descriptions in IE8 (an older version) and did not experience the same problem. Please try in a different browser, or try cleaning your browser cache. 

 

Thanks again for the questions... and by the way, our Bundle and Save promotion ends in about 24 hours - midnight Monday!

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Do you have any information you can share about the weekly assignments for Geometry? I can see syllabi at other online schools that reduce the assignments to odds or evens for each lesson. We have done something similar to this at home and I would like to keep the same thing going this year. Thanks!

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I agree that interactive online courses are much preferable to canned correspondence courses; we've tried several of the latter without being really thrilled, although as time-zone-hopping homeschoolers, they're usually the only option for us. One option that would work better for me is to have shorter class blocks. For example, I would prefer to commit to one semester of an interactive class rather than a full year. If there were enough students on untraditional schedules that allowed classes to be offered in shorter blocks more frequently, it might make it easier for homeschoolers like me. It also might help some people if some classes were offered early in the morning or late in the evening.

 

I wonder if it would be possible for instructors to find a way for international students to participate in creative ways even if they couldn't log on to the class at certain hours. A discussion board where students could interact outside of class might be one way to do that.

 

I think it's reasonable to expect assignments to be turned in at the same time for everyone and to expect students to watch/listen to the class within 24 hours.

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I signed up my daughter for the Expository Writing I and will be doing the assessment with her.

Would the Year Four Mastery Evaluation (last 18 pgs of the download) be enough to gauge her abilities?

Thanks!

Maria

 

If your daughter can finish the Year Three Mastery Evaluation, she should be fine to go into Expository Writing I. Year Four improves basic writing skills further and helps students develop an ear for more complex sentence structure, but a student doesn't need to finish Year Four to be ready for Expository Writing I (Writing With Skill I).

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Can someone explain to me how a "typical" class for the Intro to Expository Writing class might work?

 

WWE has the student reading a section of writing, then answering questions, then formulating a summary, with the instructor then dictating back a couple of sentences for the student to write. Or, on alternate days, the student takes a lengthier dictation. I have trouble envisioning this in an online classroom format (or, at least, have trouble envisioning it being successful).

 

Since there are no sample videos to watch yet, and no reviews from the hive (or elsewhere), I don't have much to go on, and I'm trying to determine why I should pay someone to do exactly the same thing I would do at home (I mean that nicer than it sounded....I'm just trying to determine how a class is going to be different than just following the book at home, and would appreciate clarification. Thanks.)

 

As a side note, I submitted this question on the web site, but my message was kicked back to me (via my Yahoo e-mail I had listed). FYI.

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We've had a few questions since my last update, here are the responses by subject:

 

Evolution: The focus of our Introduction to Biology course is the current state of biology, not origins. However, the basics of evolutionary theory will be discussed, since this is central to the development of modern biology.

 

Writing Classes: You've asked an excellent question about how our writing classes will work online.  The classroom software we are using will permit video, chat, and testing in real-time.  This will allow the dictation exercises you described, and lengthier dictations can be graded after the lecture time.  Many parents will find the Writing with Skill books easy to use, and Academy courses will not be necessary.  However, other families will appreciate the expertise and objectivity of an instructor working with their child in this particular subject. Other families will benefit from our online math or science courses... it just depends on which subjects each family has the most experience, time, confidence, etc.  

 

 

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New Programs: Science Labs & Delayed Lectures coming this week!

 

We have two lab options available for our science classes.  Delayed lectures will be beneficial for international students who could not otherwise attend the live lectures. We have updated our FAQs with an overview of these new options. This week we will be making an announcement when registration is open for these new programs.  

 

Please ensure that you have subscribed to our announcementsl to receive updates about these (and other) promotions that we are launching in the next few weeks!

 

Steve O.

 

 

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The lab sounds great. Please send email to the people already enrolled in the lecture part of the classes, too. They may not check back again about the changes.

 

Great suggestion! We'll be sure to circle back with those already enrolled, since I'm sure they will appreciate the new options too. 

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Do you intend to offer summer sessions next summer? Especially in history/lit/writing (even if the reading list might be abbreviated)? I'd like to know before I make a final decision on which courses dd might take. Thanks!

It's still early to make this call, since our current focus is the 2014-2015 academic year.  

 

I do expect we will be focusing our efforts next summer on hiring and training new instructors to build out a more complete course offering for high school, and to expand middle school to include history, math and science.

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Peace Hill Press has been a vendor for curriculum to charter schools for several years.  Now, the Well-Trained Mind Academy (WTMA) is officially a vendor to charter schools!

 

Did you know that, under the charter school provisions, California will reimburse home school families for online instruction expenses? These courses must be provided by an official vendor such as the WTMA. It is a simple process to request your local school district to include the WTMA as a vendor and to apply for reimbursements.    

 

Here's a link to one of the CA charter schools which shows items that can be reimbursed. We'll soon be listed on this school's site as an official vendor! We will have more information posted on our website later this week, and we appreciate your input to make sure we have a more complete listing of participating states.

 

So, questions to the Hive: 

1. California residents: does anyone have a link to the state school system which describes the program?

2. Are you aware of other states that offer a similar reimbursement program? If so, can you share a link to the official school system?

 

Thanks!

Steve O.

 

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