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The levels are way too young for me, but I am still interested. Sometimes IRL people ask me for advice, afterall. ;)

 

I can't get a close up of any of he packages. When I click on LEARN MORE, the color of the LEARN MORE button changes. That's it. Both in Windows on my desk yop and on my iPad.

 

Help?

 

OK, I finally got a list to come up.

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I think this, maybe, explains the recent changes with the SL curriculum , too. Bookshark  guides are the Sonlight guides with bible taken out. The questions in grade 4 look better than core E (or whatever it is now). Also, maybe if they are marketing schools as well there will be less change from year to year. The bookshark guides are what I do with my SL guides- ignore bible and try to ignore the religious commentary. We are Christians, but not Protestant. Also, this means that science would not have the YE materials, right? That was whole reason I did not use SL science. I'm kind of really excited. Anyone want my 2013 SL B and G IG's?

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The levels are way too young for me, but I am still interested. Sometimes IRL people ask me for advice, afterall. ;)

 

I can't get a close up of any of he packages. When I click on LEARN MORE, the color of the LEARN MORE button changes. That's it. Both in Windows on my desk yop and on my iPad.

 

Help?

 

OK, I finally got a list to come up.

 

It says grade 6 and 7 are due out this year. I may send a msg and ask about high school. Gosh, that would be awesome.

 

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I must admit I am befuddled by this testimonial:

 

 

 

"BookShark has been such a joy to use with all six of my kiddos (Grades K-9). We have journeyed far and wide in our imaginations through so many literature-rich books and have learned SO much about history and the world around us. The instructor guides are easy to follow and make planning our home education a breeze. Everything is set up, ready to go, and well thought out. The conversations we have had around our dinner table have enriched our family dynamics and are developing my children into well-informed, engaged citizens of a larger community." Cheryl R. - Castle Rock, CO

 

Unless she was using 5th grade materials with her 9th grader, what the what? I also really don't understand why bookshark only goes up to 5th grade? Time necessary to secularize each core/grade maybe? 

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And Sonlight is OK w/ this? No legal action? I guess bookshark has done nothing illegal, but I guess I'm surprised that SL is not fighting this.

 

Huh.

 

if I recall from last year when it was called "bright flash" It's all the same parent company. different divisions of company.  same people (holtzman)

 

edit to add:

if you go to brightflash dot com... you get the message they changed the name from bright flash to book shark.

 

 

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if I recall from last year when it was called "bright flash" It's all the same parent company. different divisions of company.  same people (holtzman)

 

edit to add:

if you go to brightflash dot com... you get the message they changed the name from bright flash to book shark.

 

 

If Book Shark is the same as "BrightFlash" it is SL's John Holzmann who is doing it.

 

 

Well that makes sense. Thanks!

 

In that case, why is is it taking so long to get the other levels completed? How long has bookshark/flash/Australianspidersnake (Wait, that's something else) been around?

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And Sonlight is OK w/ this? No legal action? I guess bookshark has done nothing illegal, but I guess I'm surprised that SL is not fighting this.

 

Huh.

Bookshark and Sonlight have the same address- they are housed at the same place (sonlight). On the bookshark info page, it even refers to people who use the curriculum as 'booksharkers', just like how 'sonlighters' have been the term for the Christian curriculum. It's just the same product, faith removed, repackaged and marketed differently.

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I have some distrust that there is not an intentional subtle non-secular agenda in this. A brief glance shows me that 5th grade includes A Horse and His Boy, and at least one missionary book. 3rd grade science includes Real-Science-4-Kids.

 

Now, I happen to like Real-Science-4-Kids, my kids have been exposed to Narnia, and I don't have a problem with a book that happens to feature a missionary if the content is well balanced with other religions. Nor would it make sense (or be possible) to entirely ignore the influence of Christianity on world history. But it makes me wonder what else is there, especially originating from a company with an overt evangelical agenda. 

 

I've considered Sonlight (but am too much of a cheapskate to ever actually do it) and draw heavily from their booklist. But that's with full knowledge that they are not secular. I would not want to open something marketed as secular and discover it teaches intelligent design (as RS4K does).

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which one?

 

I'd rather not say as I prefer not to disclose my location on here. It's pretty likely not to be anywhere near you. :) I'm willing to bet they will start attending the same fairs as Sonlight. Sonlight goes to the fair that I'm going to every year, but this will be a first for Bookshark.

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I'm interested in the opinions here... I went over each company's booklists for the 4th grade and while there were a lot of similarities, there were a lot of differences too. I haven't read a lot of the books on these lists so I'm not sure how secular/sectarian they are. Some that were read alouds were readers in the other program and vice versa, but these are all the books listed for the 4th grade.

 

Same

A Letter to Mrs. Roosevelt

Across Five Aprils

By the Great Horn Spoon

Caddie Woodlawn

Freedom Train

Helen Keller

Hero Over Here

In the Year of the Boar and Jackie Robinson

Little Britches

Miracles on Maple Hill

Moccasin Trail

Old Yeller

Oxford Illustrated Book of American Children's Poems

Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry

Shades of Gray

The Great Turkey Walk

The Great Wheel

The Seventeenth Swap

The Story of Thomas Alva Edison

The Wright Brothers

Thimble Summer

Turn Homeward, Hannalee

 

Sonlight Exclusive

Carry On, Mr. Bowditch

In Search of the Source

Johnny Tremain

The Witch of Blackbird Pond

Walk the World's Rim

Om-kas-toe

Phoebe the Spy

Pocahontas and the Strangers

Sarah, Plain and Tall

The Cabin Faced West

The Lewis & Clark Expedition

The Matchlock Gun

Toliver's Secret

What's the Big Idea, Ben Franklin?

 

 

Bookshark Exclusive

All-of-a-Kind Family

From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler

Gone Away Lake

Plain Girl

Sing Down the Moon

The Perilous Road

The Winged Watchman

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The Sonlight exclusive list contains some of my favorites so that's a little sad as I really like the concept behind bookshark.  I am christian but would love secular curriculum.  But all of the books that you have listed as exclusive to Bookshark Grade 4 are used in Core E (4th grade) Sonlight right now.

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The Sonlight exclusive list contains some of my favorites so that's a little sad as I really like the concept behind bookshark.  I am christian but would love secular curriculum.  But all of the books that you have listed as exclusive to Bookshark Grade 4 are used in Core E (4th grade) Sonlight right now.

 

I think I'm trying to compare apples to oranges. The Sonlight website has a lot more information but isn't quite as user friendly. There are two separate booklists for 4th Grade on SL; one that says for new customers, one for returning customers. The one for returning customers has more titles. :huh:

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I'm interested in the opinions here... I went over each company's booklists for the 4th grade and while there were a lot of similarities, there were a lot of differences too. I haven't read a lot of the books on these lists so I'm not sure how secular/sectarian they are. Some that were read alouds were readers in the other program and vice versa, but these are all the books listed for the 4th grade.

 

The ones I'm familiar with from that list are all fine from a secular standpoint, and that includes several of the ones on the Sonlight list. But I'm not familiar with all of them (maybe about half). Some (eg. The Witch of Blackbird Pond) have Christianity in them because it's inherent - you can't write about Puritan New England and leave out the Puritans - but the themes are not inherently religious. Most of the Sonlight booklist is secular, really - my understanding is that, with the exception of a few books, most of the non-secularness is in the Instructor's Guides and applies religious lessons to books that aren't religious in nature. Which is why so many secular people are attracted to it - the booklist is overall just Good Books.

 

I'm pretty sure I saw Gone-Away Lake on one of the Sonlight lists when I was looking through it the other day, so the differences may be largely organizational, and not actual content.

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Sonlight Exclusive

Carry On, Mr. Bowditch - Read-Aloud in 3rd Grade BookShark

In Search of the Source

Johnny Tremain - Read-Aloud in 3rd Grade BookShark

The Witch of Blackbird Pond - Read-Aloud in 3rd Grade BookShark

Walk the World's Rim - Read-Aloud in 3rd Grade BookShark

Om-kas-toe- Regular Reader in 3rd Grade BookShark

Phoebe the Spy - Regular Reader in 3rd Grade BookShark

Pocahontas and the Strangers - Regular Reader in 3rd Grade BookShark

Sarah, Plain and Tall - Regular Reader in 3rd Grade BookShark

The Cabin Faced West

The Lewis & Clark Expedition - Part of History in 3rd Grade BookShark

The Matchlock Gun - Regular Reader in 3rd Grade BookShark

Toliver's Secret - Read-Aloud in 3rd Grade BookShark

What's the Big Idea, Ben Franklin?

 

Bookshark Exclusive

All-of-a-Kind Family - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Readers E-5 Day

From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Readers E-5 Day

Gone Away Lake - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Readers E-5 Day

Plain Girl - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Readers E-5 Day

Sing Down the Moon - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Readers E-5 Day

The Perilous Road - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Readers E-5 Day

The Winged Watchman - In Sonlight Grade 4, Core E, Read-Alouds E

 

So it looks like most of the books overlap between the two at some point.  Only 3 don't.

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One difference I found in sonlight and book shark for grade 4 is the lack of the workbooks. Story of the USA, maybe? Can't remember the names exactly. I think the OP might have been comparing bookshark 4 to sonlight D instead of Sonlight E. Bruchko is a reader for E and was missing from Bookshark, but it is a missions book. I would just like to not pay for LA. I wouldn't mind the Bible being left off because I have so many resources for that already.

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The ones I'm familiar with from that list are all fine from a secular standpoint, and that includes several of the ones on the Sonlight list. But I'm not familiar with all of them (maybe about half). Some (eg. The Witch of Blackbird Pond) have Christianity in them because it's inherent - you can't write about Puritan New England and leave out the Puritans - but the themes are not inherently religious. Most of the Sonlight booklist is secular, really - my understanding is that, with the exception of a few books, most of the non-secularness is in the Instructor's Guides and applies religious lessons to books that aren't religious in nature. Which is why so many secular people are attracted to it - the booklist is overall just Good Books.

 

I'm pretty sure I saw Gone-Away Lake on one of the Sonlight lists when I was looking through it the other day, so the differences may be largely organizational, and not actual content.

 

Isn't Sonlight grade 4 on the new website what core e has been? I can't keep any of it straight anymore.

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Okay, if you compare Bookshark 4 with Sonlight 4 for returning users and put Sonlight on the 4 day a week option, these are the differences I notice...

 

Bruchko (missions book) missing.

In Search of the Source (missions book) missing

George Washington Carver (Christian bio) missing

The Terrible Wave (reader) missing

 

No Bible items, no LA.

 

A significant cost difference.  

 

 

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I'd rather not say as I prefer not to disclose my location on here. It's pretty likely not to be anywhere near you. :) I'm willing to bet they will start attending the same fairs as Sonlight. Sonlight goes to the fair that I'm going to every year, but this will be a first for Bookshark.

Interesting wonder how far apart the booths will be. do tell if you go.

 

And I googled.

They will be in WA, AK, and CA.

 

Sonlight will be at the HEAV convention. I checked and right now BS won't be.  Sarita is speaking too.  That would be interesting to hear.

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I'm interested in the opinions here... I went over each company's booklists for the 4th grade and while there were a lot of similarities, there were a lot of differences too. I haven't read a lot of the books on these lists so I'm not sure how secular/sectarian they are. Some that were read alouds were readers in the other program and vice versa, but these are all the books listed for the 4th grade.

 

Same

A Letter to Mrs. Roosevelt

Across Five Aprils

By the Great Horn Spoon

Caddie Woodlawn

Freedom Train

Helen Keller

Hero Over Here

In the Year of the Boar and Jackie Robinson

Little Britches

Miracles on Maple Hill

Moccasin Trail

Old Yeller

Oxford Illustrated Book of American Children's Poems

Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry

Shades of Gray

The Great Turkey Walk

The Great Wheel

The Seventeenth Swap

The Story of Thomas Alva Edison

The Wright Brothers

Thimble Summer

Turn Homeward, Hannalee

 

Sonlight Exclusive

Carry On, Mr. Bowditch

In Search of the Source

Johnny Tremain

The Witch of Blackbird Pond

Walk the World's Rim

Om-kas-toe

Phoebe the Spy

Pocahontas and the Strangers

Sarah, Plain and Tall

The Cabin Faced West

The Lewis & Clark Expedition

The Matchlock Gun

Toliver's Secret

What's the Big Idea, Ben Franklin?

 

 

Bookshark Exclusive

All-of-a-Kind Family

From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler

Gone Away Lake

Plain Girl

Sing Down the Moon

The Perilous Road

The Winged Watchman

interesting.  I don't think any of the books on either list has an faith base to it.

 

Interesting too is that I think a couple of those for Bookshark were in different levels of SL over the years.  and some may be. You might want to check that on the BS exclusive if they show up in other levels of SL.

 

And really one of the best books in SL is Carry on Mr Bowditch.  really all the SL exclusive are top of the line great books interesting that they aren't used in the other

one.

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The ones I'm familiar with from that list are all fine from a secular standpoint, and that includes several of the ones on the Sonlight list. But I'm not familiar with all of them (maybe about half). Some (eg. The Witch of Blackbird Pond) have Christianity in them because it's inherent - you can't write about Puritan New England and leave out the Puritans - but the themes are not inherently religious. Most of the Sonlight booklist is secular, really - my understanding is that, with the exception of a few books, most of the non-secularness is in the Instructor's Guides and applies religious lessons to books that aren't religious in nature. Which is why so many secular people are attracted to it - the booklist is overall just Good Books.

 

I'm pretty sure I saw Gone-Away Lake on one of the Sonlight lists when I was looking through it the other day, so the differences may be largely organizational, and not actual content.

I read Witch of Blackbird pond in ps.

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If "In Search of the Source" is the following book, it's definitely not secular: http://www.amazon.com/In-Search-Source-First-Encounter/dp/0880704977

 

If "The Cabin Faced West" is the one by Jean Fritz, the reviews don't mention any religious content.

Yeah I missed that I dont' think we read it. i think I gave it to my son to read.

 

Cabin Faced West is about George Washington I think it isn't religious.  I don't think any of JF;s  books are religious that deal with Am history,  Her bio is religious in some ways.

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One difference I found in sonlight and book shark for grade 4 is the lack of the workbooks. Story of the USA, maybe? Can't remember the names exactly. I think the OP might have been comparing bookshark 4 to sonlight D instead of Sonlight E. Bruchko is a reader for E and was missing from Bookshark, but it is a missions book. I would just like to not pay for LA. I wouldn't mind the Bible being left off because I have so many resources for that already.

I think SL pulled the workbooks too

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I think SL pulled the workbooks too

 

Ahhh... I figured that out now.  Yeah... I'm only catching a 5 book difference.  Bruchko, George Washington Carver, The Terrible Wave, In Search of the Source, The Story of the USA.

 

The Cabin Faced West is a 3rd grade Sonlight book.

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Interesting wonder how far apart the booths will be. do tell if you go.

 

And I googled.

They will be in WA, AK, and CA.

For anyone else who's curious, the last one is the Great Homeschool Convention in Ontario (near L.A.) June 12th-14th. The schedule says that Michael Clay Thompson, Jim Weiss, and Adam Andrews will be speakers- seriously tempting!

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I am kind of excited about this. Is anyone able to tell if the bookshark science is really secular or just "neutral"?

 

I have the IG's for both Sonlight and BrightFlash (what their secular program was briefly called) for Science C. They're very close to identical, with the exception that Brightflash doesn't have Dinosaurs Unleashed. There may be a few sentences excised here and there, but for the most part it's the same. I'll be interested to see if they actually re-write or add anything now that they're re-branding as BookShark.

 

Here's a quote from BrightFlash Science C that shows they really didn't change anything for that at least:

 

Are you or your children bothered by the phrase stating 

that chimpanzees “are the animals most like peopleâ€? It 
probably depends on what is meant. While the section 
is not explicit in stating that humans have evolved from 
apes, which is a typical macroevolutionary assumption, it 
does suggest the connection.

 

My guess is that this just got by them in the editing process and BookShark probably won't include it. 

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I'd rather not say as I prefer not to disclose my location on here. It's pretty likely not to be anywhere near you. :) I'm willing to bet they will start attending the same fairs as Sonlight. Sonlight goes to the fair that I'm going to every year, but this will be a first for Bookshark.

 

They are at my local curriculum fair too. I am really intrigued. The packages show history & reading together, but you can buy the IG separately from the books from this page (which is all I'd need, since I already have all the books for cores 1 & 2). It is just the part of Sonlight I like, without all the other stuff. The Bookshark IG is $5 MORE than the Sonlight IG, though, even with fewer parts to it (no LA or Bible!).

 

I am sort of considering it. Maybe Core 1/B/1st grade for our 2nd Grade. My advanced reader can read the RAs himself.

 

Bookshark History 4 IG (Weeks 10-12)

Bookshark History 4 IG (Week 20)

Sonlight Core E IG (Weeks 1-3)

 

Is it just me, or does the Bookshark IG have a lot more detail in the history discussion?

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I am so excited about this. We have used Sonlight for many years. When the big change happened, some books were returned, and student guides came about, bible and LA was added back into the core, I left Sonlight. ( Only wish I had kept all my IG's from many years ago. SIGH  ) I can't wait to get my hands on some Bookshark stuff ! Wooot Wooot. Already ordered for this year. ;-( Will have to wait for next year, but will get IG 4 this year, as I have 99% of those books already. ~~ Dancing around the room, singing ! ~~

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On the "for schools" page, it mentions their sister company - which I assume is Sonlight.

 

This is exciting - I may have to rethink plans for my youngest's upcoming fifth grade year! After being drawn to Sonlight for years and years, we finally tried it last year, but ugh, I just hated tweaking it to be secular, and wasn't fond of the LA stuff or the history workbook either, to be honest (the stuff that wasn't literature-based I guess), so I sent it back during its return window. This looks great, because I could just buy the reading through history and the science stuff if I wanted....and leave out the LA stuff. If 7th grade is available by the fall as well, and they can keep up with my kids in upcoming years, that could just be absolutely perfect!!!

 

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