Need some help with the nitty gritty of outlining WTM style in 5th, please...

[Zee]

I read the sample for Writing with Ease and I finally understand the difference between the outlining objective that SWB has vs. the "normal" teaching of the outlining form and all the how to's. At least I think I do. :o We have been working on outlining, but not for the sake of learning it to see how other authors structure their writing. I want to keep up the outlining teaching that I've been doing, but want to add in WTM outlining. I like the idea of learning good structure through it. I don't want to outline Kingfisher, as I have the newer version that some say is too summarized to adequately outline (easily, I mean). I was thinking about using SOTW and BJU Science 5. What do you think? How much do I have ds outline? This year we will just be doing the one sentance per paragraph, so for SOTW, do I just choose one section of a chapter? Would that be the right amount? Perhaps for Science I could pick a multi-paragraph section on a topic? Do you think a science textbook would be too condensed? :confused:

[coffeegal]

I am having my son outline from Kingfisher. He does 2 pages at a time (or 3-5 paragraphs) and uses each large paragraph as a main point and finds 2-5 subpoints within it. It's working well for us. If we used SOTW instead, I'd likely have him outline one section at a time. Doing an entire chapter would drive ME crazy, much less my son. :p If you want the entire chapter outlined, perhaps divide it throughout the week instead of outlining on Monday only. I prefer my son to complete a smaller well done outline versus a longer sloppy one. :rolleyes:

 

I don't believe a science textbook would be too condensed...but Kingfisher is working well for us. :D

[Guest]

Which version/publishing date of Kingfisher do you have? I just bought Remedia Publications 2 outlining books for my guys to work on. I never learned how, either. Hmmm...maybe I should buy copies of all their books for me, too!

[coffeegal]

I have the new 1999 Kingfisher. 2 level outlines are working well but my ds and I tried 3 level outlines once and it drove us crazy. I'll try again in a couple of years but for now 2 levels is enough. :)

[Zee]

I have the 1999 version too. I haven't tried it yet, just was going with what others had said. I'll take a look at it. Maybe it will be easier than I think. The length in Kingfisher may give me an idea of what to expect in other books. I do not want to have ds outline a chapter of SOTW. That sounded like overkill to me; I just wanted to make sure that a section was the expected amount. I know the activity guide for vol. 4 has outlining worksheets, but I only have Vol. 1-2.

 

Thanks for the encouragement. :)

[Zee]

We started to use the Remedia books, also. :) They are helpful for teaching outlining. Along with that, we have been using "Paragraphs Made Easy." (If interested, Amazon sells this). This has done a good job of teaching outlining and paragraphs of different types. We understand the outline form now and are using it to write paragraphs. We will continue with that, but I want to do the SOTW or science outlining to demonstrate how good writers structure their writing.

[mcconnellboys]

I think you're on the right track. Have you looked at the Remedia outlining that I think SWB recommended sometime back to help get folks started? I haven't seen it yet, but I hear it's good.

 

I'm going to use SOTW for outlining, too. Some of those chapters are cut up into two or three parts, with each part being pretty short. In those cases, I intend to choose one of those sections and have him outline it. It will probably just be 5 or 6 paragraphs....

 

I haven't specifically looked at the BJU text, but if it's written in paragraph format, it should be okay for you. I'm going to use the intro sections of the Reader's Digest books for that. Some science texts have an intro part at the beginning of each chapter, if it's not a condensation of what the chapter contains, but is written in paragraph format instead, it might also work for you.

 

Good luck with it,

 

Regena

[Zee]

Yes, we have the Remedia books. It is easier than the Paragraphs Made Easy book I mentioned above. We have been using the Remedia book as review of the Paragraphs book. R&S had a few assignments that have flowed with what we've been doing, as well. We are currently involved with a couple of differernt writing assignments, but I expect to get back to the Remedia and Paragraph book soon. Sometimes it is hard, juggling all these writing assignments and goals, KWIM? :) Thanks for your thoughts on SoTW and BJU. They confirm what I'm already thinking.

[Shelly in VA]

Are the Remedia books the ones at Rainbow Resource titled "Beginning Outlining Grades 3-4" and "Outlining Grades 5-8?" Thanks!

[Suzanne in ABQ]

While Kingfisher would be very difficult to narrate, it would work well for outlining.

 

That being said, SOTW works well, too. And, doing a section or two of science is a good idea.

[Zee]

Yes. That's correct. I have "Outlining," for 5th+.

[Zee]

Thank you! Makes sense with regards to narrating vs. outlining. :)