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#151 AEC

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:08 PM

I tutored a student in Seton's chemistry course, and the text compared a chemical reaction to the transubstantiation of the bread and wine at mass. 

 

I wish I were kidding. 

 

that makes no sense - not even from a religious prospective.  I thought a central tennet of transubstantiation was that the substence was transformed, but the accidents (meaning everything physically observable) were not.  I'm not religious, but I think if I was I'd object to that on the grounds that it's comparing something sacred, holy, and miraculous to a mechanical process that's mundane and completely quantifiable.  I don't think we (the collective we that is humanity) do ourselves any favors on either the science or theology fronts by insisting that they must convolve on all topics.


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Posted 21 January 2016 - 04:12 PM

I tutored a student in Seton's chemistry course, and the text compared a chemical reaction to the transubstantiation of the bread and wine at mass. 

 

I wish I were kidding. 

 

I just wanted to say that I "liked" your post because of your contribution to the chem conversation and not because I agree with using transubstantiation as an example of a chemical reaction. :)

 

That's just...  Not good.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 03:57 PM

Did anyone take the WTMA Chemistry course this year? Looking for some feedback on the course. This course looked so amazing to us and I was happy about the text, Conceptual Chemistry, but after reviewing the syllabus I got a little concerned about the "primary sources:"

 

Primary Sources: (Can be purchased, checked out from library, or read online)

Boyle, Robert. The Sceptical Chymist (1661)

Lavoisier, Antoine. Elements of Chemistry (1790) (Any English translation)

 
My dd loves science but will not be a science major and for a non-honors or AP course this reading material seems very advanced (and dare I say a bit long- the second source is 640 pages long according to Amazon).  I have not read the material so I might be completely off on my observation. So, I am looking for any input. Can anyone share any info with me about the course? About the Primary Sources? Please feel free to PM if you do not want to post publicly. Any help is greatly appreciated!
 

 


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 06:50 AM

I'm considering 

General Chemistry: The Essential Concepts by Raymond Chang

for Chem next year.

 

The OP includes a link to a sequence used by an honors chem class (http://www.doctortan...istry/units.htm) that seems reasonable.

I notice that it doesn't move through the book very linearly, though.  Has anyone tried this?  Was there an issue w/ lack of continuity or chapters/problems referencing concepts from earlier in the book that hadn't been studied in the outline yet?

 

Finally - anyone have a reference to testing materials?  We've been using the publisher-provided chapter/unit exams for ML Bio and it's been great - I like not having to make stuff up and DC feel confident they are getting a bio class that's 'as hard as' their PS peers.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:31 PM

I'm considering 

General Chemistry: The Essential Concepts by Raymond Chang

for Chem next year.

 

The OP includes a link to a sequence used by an honors chem class (http://www.doctortan...istry/units.htm) that seems reasonable.

I notice that it doesn't move through the book very linearly, though.  Has anyone tried this?  Was there an issue w/ lack of continuity or chapters/problems referencing concepts from earlier in the book that hadn't been studied in the outline yet?

 

Finally - anyone have a reference to testing materials?  We've been using the publisher-provided chapter/unit exams for ML Bio and it's been great - I like not having to make stuff up and DC feel confident they are getting a bio class that's 'as hard as' their PS peers.

 

It's the OP. :)  In looking at his order of topics and referencing the text chapters and sections (I've got the book sitting next to me), I think his progression is fine.  He covers kinetics before equilibrium and he does equilibrium before acids/bases and redox.  If a curriculum had the order of any of those reversed, that would be worrisome.

 

The Doctor Tang website does include practice tests and practice exams that include answer keys so that might be somewhere to start for testing materials.  You could also see if you could purchase an instructor's solutions manual for the text and then use the odd numbered problems from the text for your tests.  The text itself doesn't have the solutions for the odd-numbered problems but the instructor's manual should.  The student could then use the even-numbered problems for practice and you can use the odd-numbered ones for your tests.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:38 PM

It's the OP. :)  In looking at his order of topics and referencing the text chapters and sections (I've got the book sitting next to me), I think his progression is fine.  He covers kinetics before equilibrium and he does equilibrium before acids/bases and redox.  If a curriculum had the order of any of those reversed, that would be worrisome.

 

Thanks!

 

I'm curious why that's preferable to just doing the text in sequence?



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:55 PM

Probably just personal preference on Doctor Tang's part.  Chapters 4, 12, and 13, for example, all deal with the chemistry of solutions so he chose to combine parts from each of those chapters into his second unit rather than have solution chemistry touched on separately 3 different times in the course.  Either way would work - it's just preference on the teacher's part. :)  There are certain chemistry topics that really shouldn't be taught "out of order" (like the ones I mentioned above) but there are other topics that could be taught in a variety of orders with no repercussions.

 

If I was teaching out of the Chang text, I'd probably use Doctor Tang's order - although I might switch around his Unit 2 and Unit 3 order.  My personal preference is to teach quantum theory and bonding before I start in on most everything else but his order works just fine, too. :)



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Posted 26 February 2016 - 02:52 PM

Thanks!

 

I'm curious why that's preferable to just doing the text in sequence?

 

I've looked at a billion syllabi for chemistry, and I swear no one on earth ever does the book in order. 


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Posted 27 February 2016 - 08:11 PM

I've looked at a billion syllabi for chemistry, and I swear no one on earth ever does the book in order. 

 

I think it was Regentrude and I who had this conversation once.  At the beginning level, chemistry is an odd subject.  It doesn't really follow a nice, neat linear progression of topics like physics tends to.  In order to understand what we think of as the basics of chemistry (atomic structure), it's actually helpful to have prior knowledge of, paradoxically, a branch of chemistry that's usually considered not-so-basic - quantum theory. :)  It tends to go this way with many of the topics that are considered introductory topics - those introductory topics are actually easier and better explained with prior knowledge of topics that are usually not introductory.  Because of that, the order that intro chem topics are taught can be played around with quite a bit without causing too many problems - again, intro chem doesn't have that nice linear progression of topics that physics does.  Chem is for weirdos, I've decided. ;) :p


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Posted 05 March 2016 - 04:03 PM

that makes no sense - not even from a religious prospective.  I thought a central tennet of transubstantiation was that the substence was transformed, but the accidents (meaning everything physically observable) were not.  I'm not religious, but I think if I was I'd object to that on the grounds that it's comparing something sacred, holy, and miraculous to a mechanical process that's mundane and completely quantifiable.  I don't think we (the collective we that is humanity) do ourselves any favors on either the science or theology fronts by insisting that they must convolve on all topics.

 

What I don't understand is that Seton uses an ABeka chemistry text for their course. So I wonder how it would even come up. Maybe in the course plans?

 

(Old post but I'm curious.)



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Posted 13 March 2016 - 02:23 PM

A couple of questions:  Who is this Dr. Tang person who created the wonderfully detailed lesson plan?  

 

Has anyone looked at the Suchoki Conceptual Chemistry text used by the WTMA class?  It gets mixed reviews on Amazon.  



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Posted 21 March 2016 - 11:44 AM

I am going to use the Novare Chemistry for Accelerated Students next year. I know there has been interest but not many users on the forum, so I will try to thoroughly review it as we go along. I just got the package.

I will start a new thread and put the link in here.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 12:08 PM

A couple of questions:  Who is this Dr. Tang person who created the wonderfully detailed lesson plan?  

 

Has anyone looked at the Suchoki Conceptual Chemistry text used by the WTMA class?  It gets mixed reviews on Amazon.  

 

:)  I believe Dr. Tang is a high school chemistry teacher (who isn't technically a Dr. - it says at the bottom of his webpage that he has a B.Sc. and a B.Ed.) who has taught in both Alberta and California. :)  If anyone knows him personally, I'd love to hear about it.  I think he needs to know he has an entire following of homeschool moms. :D

 

I have Suchocki's book in front of me.  Was there anything in particular that you'd like to know?  I've not taught out of it but I could probably answer particular questions.


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:18 PM

:)  I believe Dr. Tang is a high school chemistry teacher (who isn't technically a Dr. - it says at the bottom of his webpage that he has a B.Sc. and a B.Ed.) who has taught in both Alberta and California. :)  If anyone knows him personally, I'd love to hear about it.  I think he needs to know he has an entire following of homeschool moms. :D

 

I have Suchocki's book in front of me.  Was there anything in particular that you'd like to know?  I've not taught out of it but I could probably answer particular questions.

 

(I feel like I always need to hear someone's back story, lol.)

 

I went ahead and ordered a used copy of Suchocki, so I'm good after all.  


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Posted 18 May 2016 - 02:58 PM

Has anyone used the CK-12 textbook?  I read mixed reviews on it and was wondering what kind of experiences people had had with it.  

 



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Posted 02 June 2016 - 02:59 PM

Any thoughts on the newest ed of Chang Chem (the 11th, published in 2012) vs the 5th ed (published in 2007) that's listed on dr. Tang's course outline (http://www.doctortan...units.htm)...or just thoughts on the newest edition, generically?

 

Just realized there are TWO chemistry texts by Chang - 'General Chemistry:Essential Concepts' and 'Chemistry'.  The former is what I'm looking at (Honors Chem, not AP).

 

That said, there's a 7th ed of General Chem from 2013.

(http://www.amazon.co...try 7th edition and

http://www.amazon.co...26306QHH9C3ZP6)

 

thoughts on the delta between the 7th ed and the earlier versions ('drtang' outline is based on the 5th ed)

 

 


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Posted 02 June 2016 - 03:28 PM

Any thoughts on the newest ed of Chang Chem (the 11th, published in 2012) vs the 5th ed (published in 2007) that's listed on dr. Tang's course outline (http://www.doctortan...units.htm)...or just thoughts on the newest edition, generically?

 

Dd used either the 10th or 11th edition for PAH AP Chem.  No complaints, good textbook, but we can't compare to older editions.  



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 05:25 PM

We are looking at ChemAdvantage and the Scholars Online courses for AP Chemistry and have no experience with the PA Homeschoolers or Scholars Online programming. I see a thread here where there are very good reviews for ChemAdvantage, but could not find feedback for the Scholars online program and are interested in how they compare. We are looking for a rigorous AP Chem course online with student/teacher interaction. We currently use AOPS for math- completed Algebra A,B & Intro Geometry, have liked their teachers, rigor, format of classes, assignments and feedback. We used Thinkwell for math in the past and the learning format of videos did not provided for interaction/adequate engagement. They would breeze through, complete all the work-do very well and not delve deep nor be challenged.

    We are hoping there are those who can provide feedback on the Scholars Online AP Chem course and if any can point out how this course compares with the ChemAdvantage AP course, teacher, rigor, learning experience, feedback, online format & assignments to help with our decision. Thank you, Butterflyhome


 


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 12:08 PM

Connie, Thank you for this thread.  Have you looked at the following chemistry texts, Kotz and for labs Thompson? How would they do for an honors  or AP level course? And can you provide feedback on how they compare to Chang's text. Thank you. Alisa

 

Chemistry and Chemical Reactivity - Hybrid/Soft Cover (Edition: 9)

James C. Kotz, Paul M. Treichel, John R. Townsend, David A. Treichel

ISBN: 128546253X .

 This paperback version of the text is a hybrid version, with some parts online.

            Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments (Edition: 1)

Robert Bruce Thompson

ISBN: 0596514921 .

            Chemistry and Chemical Reactivity - Hardcover (Edition: 9)

John C. Kotz, Paul M. GTreichel, John Townsend, David Treichel

ISBN: 1133949649 .



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Posted 29 August 2016 - 06:07 PM

Has anyone used the CK-12 textbook?  I read mixed reviews on it and was wondering what kind of experiences people had had with it.  

 

I am researching CK-12 for chemistry now.  The "second edition "textbook linked in the OP is not found with a search at the CK-12 site, though the link for the textbook and teacher's edition still work.  The link for the labs does not work. 

 

Instead, at this chemistry page, they have 3 textbooks available on the FlexBook Textbooks tab, CK-12 Chemistry Basic, CK-12 Chemistry Intermediate, and CK-12 Chemistry Concepts Intermediate, as well as a text titled From Vitamins to Baked Goods:  Real Applications of Organic Chemistry.

 

Only the CK-12 Chemistry Intermediate has a teacher's edition, quizzes and tests, and workbook available.  Someone has added answers to the in-text questions/problems for CK-12 Chemistry Basic, however, on the Resources tab.

 

The books are all written with some of the same authors, so the content follows a similar sequence.  Just 30 min. of browsing makes me think there is considerable difference between the 3 texts.  That's as far as I've progressed so far... 

 

There is also CBSE Chemistry 12, which is still in progress and asking for contributors.  ?  I don't know what CBSE is. 

 


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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:18 AM

 

 

*From "HodgesSchool":

Just ran across these demonstration labs from MIT that are well produced, showy, and also quite seriously academic:

(And if you haven't seen the Chem Lab Boot Camp that I've mentioned before, you might enjoy it, too.  It is much more narrative than scientific, but I found it both inspiring and reassuring.  http://ocw.mit.edu/h...-lab-boot-camp/ )

 

 

The MIT Opencourseware links above no longer work.

 



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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:24 AM

Free online Chem lectures from Trivedi Chamistry:

 

http://www.trivedich...mistry-lectures

 

Online Chemistry Dictionary:

 

http://www.trivedich...stry-dictionary

 

Cannot find these on the Trivedi site any longer.
 



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Posted 30 August 2016 - 04:53 PM

The MIT Opencourseware links above no longer work.

 

 

MIT OCW Chem lab boot camp video series

 

MIT OCW Chem lab techniques videos

(not sure if the 2nd link is the lab set you were looking for, but they're very good!)


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Posted 11 September 2016 - 04:05 AM



There is also CBSE Chemistry 12, which is still in progress and asking for contributors. ? I don't know what CBSE is.


CBSE is Central Board of School Education.It's one of the popular(and fairly rigorous) Boards of Education in India.
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Posted 01 October 2016 - 02:33 PM

sadly, it seems Tang's website is down.  Any other suggestions for resources for Chang's General Chem?



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Posted 26 October 2016 - 05:26 PM

Never mind...


Edited by ColleenInWis, 04 December 2016 - 05:37 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 05:50 PM

We are doing MOOCs for chemistry this year.  We started with an easy, 4-week long course at Open2Study called Chemistry:  Building Blocks of the World.  This course would be appropriate for a student in middle school, methinks, or, as in our case, a high school student who didn't have the benefit of a lot of science in earlier years.  It is an enjoyable overview that focuses on the basics without getting bogged down in detail or math problems. 

 

Then we moved on to Coursera's Introduction to Chemistry:  Reactions and Ratios.  We are 3-4 weeks into this 7-week long course, and it's getting tough.  It is interesting and well-done, with an enthusiastic Assistant Professor from Duke University, Dorian Canelas.  The in-lecture interactive questions help us practice what we are learning as we go, and the quizzes at the end of each week's unit seem to be a good assessment of the material covered.  One unit per week is too much for us at this point, so we are re-enrolling in another session to give ourselves more time to cover.  This seems like a comprehensive chemistry course for high school.   


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Posted 17 December 2016 - 06:41 PM

Chemistry has not gone well so far this year.

We're using Chang's General Chem.  DS & DD both are finding it insufficient to learn from and there isn't enough time for me to act as full-time teacher.  The solutions manual isn't sufficient if they didn't understand the concepts from the book.  There's a "Learnsmart" app available from the publisher, but that hasn't been much help either (and, it's super frustrating...it seems to not record what they've done sometimes, leading to frustration when you come back the next day to find that you haven't made any progress).

 

SO - I think we need a class.

 

Thoughts on Thinkwell?  There's some recently posted commentary by EndOfOrdinary suggesting it was too easy and conceptual.  OTOH, it's described by the OP and others in this thread as being AP-level.   Not sure how to reconcile those.  Anyone share experience actually using it?

 

The "Dr Tang" website is back - and there are some great looking videos of him explaining the content...but it's at an AP level and I think that's really too much at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 07:43 PM

I didn't see my chemistry program listed, so I'm chiming in. ;-)

Forgive me if I missed it!

 

chem-banner.jpg

 

http://www.guestholl...istry_home.html

 

 


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:53 PM

Hi all. :)  I wanted to apologize for not keeping on top of the pinned threads as well as I had meant to.  I know some folks were asking questions here and I didn't get around to answering them - my apologies.

 

I also see that there are a number of broken links - my apologies there, too.  I don't know how much time I'll have to go back and fix things in the original posts but I'm glad that people are pointing them out - it's certainly helpful for others.

 

I've also been seriously pondering the idea of developing some homeschool high school chemistry courses and/or an integrated "Science for Everyday Life" type of course.  I'm envisioning something along the lines of Derek Owens-type course delivery with video lectures.  I think I might start a new thread for this subject to see what sorts of things people would be looking for in those types of courses.

 

Thanks again to all the folks who continue to contribute to these threads! :)


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:21 PM

Dicentra,

 

We would definitely be interested. My son needs asynchronous due to his heavy travel schedule with extracurricular activities. Derek Owens-type videos,  and with fill-in notes like he offers, would be a winner for us! We look forward to hearing more!

 

Thank you! :hurray:


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:37 PM

Hi all. :)  I wanted to apologize for not keeping on top of the pinned threads as well as I had meant to.  I know some folks were asking questions here and I didn't get around to answering them - my apologies.

 

I also see that there are a number of broken links - my apologies there, too.  I don't know how much time I'll have to go back and fix things in the original posts but I'm glad that people are pointing them out - it's certainly helpful for others.

 

I've also been seriously pondering the idea of developing some homeschool high school chemistry courses and/or an integrated "Science for Everyday Life" type of course.  I'm envisioning something along the lines of Derek Owens-type course delivery with video lectures.  I think I might start a new thread for this subject to see what sorts of things people would be looking for in those types of courses.

 

Thanks again to all the folks who continue to contribute to these threads! :)

 

Since my son absolutely loves the Derek Owens courses, I think it would be a big hit here!  The video, fill-in notes, practice problem set up is a great set-up for him. It's just the right amount of instruction and support.  So, if you did something like it, I would be a fan.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 12:33 PM

I haven't seen this mentioned on the boards yet - Dr Jay Wile (wrote the original Apologia science series), is now teaching an online Honors Chemistry course for the first time in the 2017-2018 school year.  He is also offering biology and physics courses.

 

Dr Jay Wile online highschool science classes

 

The chemistry text is his newish chemistry book Discovering Design with Chemistry

 

 


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