"The Listening Program"? "INPP"? Any experience?

[SKL]

I called my kid's VT for a referral to look into possible auditory processing issues. His practice has a couple of offerings and I've signed up for testing for the following for DD5. I'd love to hear if any of you have any experience or have heard pros and cons:

 

"INPP" - Institute for Neuro-Physiological Psychology - from the sound of it, they work on primitive reflexes that can cause a variety of issues (that's probably what my dd's vision problems stem from too). He says they will assign short daily (at-home) exercises with an office visit every 8 weeks, for a year. The eval itself is $350. No idea what the program will cost.

 

"The Listening Program." He says this is some sort of classical music program that is mostly at home (using earphones), with semi-annual office visits. No idea how much the eval or the program will cost.

 

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Some background on my dd: she was adopted at age 1 and has always had some quirks and oddities. Odd center of gravity, inconsistent speech development, high pain threshold, gets drunk on a little sugar, low tolerance for certain sounds & textures, can't bring herself down after getting wound up, etc. She functions fine overall, yet these quirks concern me because I suspect an underlying cause (primitive reflexes or a neurological issue related to possible fetal/infant malnutrition). Her visual learning was the most concerning issue. VT fixed the convergence problem, but she still has visual memory issues (though she seems to be improving). Listening issues surfaced this year in KG.

 

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

[Guest]

Bumping this for you.

[merry gardens]

We've used The Listening Program here.

 

I put The Listening Program in the "probably won't hurt and it might help, but there are better things" catagory.

 

First learned of it from slp for ds, then 7. We bought the expensive, fancy headphones and rented the cds from slp. I don't know if it did anything. The music is classical music and it switches back and forth from one ear to another on special headphones and is manipulated in other ways. The slp recommended it for ds phonemic awareness problems because it was about the only thing she knew to try, but the next year ds still couldn't pass the Barton screen. We turned to LiPS and Barton, which were far more effective for our purposes.

 

When I found someone selling it cheap on ebay, I bought it. I've listened to it. It's relaxing and the music is nice even with the strange sound manipulations. One dd tried it too because it was there and she showed some early warning signs for dyslexia. (I also used LiPS and Barton with her and I took her to a different slp.)

 

Now...we're using it again. This time for an older ds. He was recently diagnosed with mild APD. The audiologist usually uses a different program but said The Listening Program would be similar. Since we already have it, we're using it with our audiologist's approval. Too early to tell if anything's changed--and we might never really know because we're doing other things too.

 

If you suspect auditory processing problems, I'd suggest you get an evaluation from an audiologist who evaluates for capd/apd and that type of thing, in addition to getting a standard hearing evaluation.

Edited June 16, 2012 by merry gardens

[SKL]

Wanted to bump this up for the early-week folks. Thanks!

[wapiti]

We've used The Listening Program here.

 

I put The Listening Program in the "probably won't hurt and it might help, but there are better things" catagory.

 

:iagree: Two of my kids used it in combination with OT for SPD several years ago. It seemed to help, though mostly in non-specific ways; the OTs used it because it supposedly helped the brain change faster, as in, facilitated neuroplasticity, perhaps (we talked a lot about it but it's still less than clear to me what the mechanism would be).

 

Neither has been tested for APD, but both have some relative weaknesses in the areas of auditory reasoning and auditory comprehension (no phonemic issues). These areas were tested by SLPs long after they did the Listening Program.

 

I also bought the home program which we have used sporadically. It's not easy to make the commitment to use it at home as much as I'd like (no screen time, no eating, no reading while listening - playing or relaxing instead). You can find it here, assuming this is the one you are talking about. We have the version similar to the "Kick Start" though ours was with a clunky cd player, since that was about 5 years ago; I think it was around $500 or so.

 

To read more about listening programs, google Tomatis. Be aware that there are a lot of different programs, some of which are "not the real thing," according to some people. Also be aware that listening therapy generally is quite controversial - some people feel there is a benefit, though certainly studies do not show such a benefit across the board. The prominent audiologist near us who tests for CAPD does not recommend it due to the studies. In addition, the benefit may be temporary. IMO, won't hurt, might help. I tend to think that certain people will benefit though it's unclear who, and that even though results can be had in a short timeframe, a longer timeframe may be necessary to make the results longer lasting.

 

It's a long story, but my dh was doing some VT for some double vision post-brain surgery, and I intended to make him use the Listening Program at the same time (LOL). I only managed that for a few days, and maybe it's just a coincidence, but he seemed to have his largest jump in the shortest timeframe right after we did that.

 

As for visual memory, there have been some posts here about how you might work on that. It's something that one of our COVDs worked on but the other did not. (It just happens to be a relatively weak area for my two kiddos as well, but I'm a slacker...)

Edited June 18, 2012 by wapiti

[SKL]

I'm bumping this for more input since my kid's therapist is now actively recommending the TLP ("The Listening Program") device.

 

We are doing INPP but it is hard to say what the results are. So much has changed in our life since the therapy started, there isn't a way to look at "before and after" at this point.

[Leonor]

Take a look at www.annashousellc.com. My son has done the Listening program twice, vision therapy, and other neurodevelopmental therapies. None of them are like what Anna Buck does.

She wrote a book called Miracle Children. She did this with her own child. I have interacted with her daughter and I can't believe it is the same child described in said book.

The book When Listening Comes Alive is written by the cofounder of the Listening Centre in Toronto who was a patient of Dr. Tomatis and cofounded the centre with him.

http://www.amazon.com/When-Listening-Comes-Alive-Communication/dp/0969707916/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351383623&sr=8-1&keywords=when+listening+comes+alive

 

"In 2005 Anna was certified as a Neuro-Developmental Delay Therapist by The Institute for Neuro-Physiological Psychology (INPP) in Chester, U.K. Anna was a guest speaker at an INPP conference in December, 2006, where she shared her own copyrighted exercisetechnique for Neuro-Developmental Delay Therapy. She shared more about her work at the INPP International Conference in 2010.

 

As a certified Listening Fitness Instructor for The Listening Centre, Toronto, Canada, Anna was a guest speaker at the annual conference in 2006. She is the first person to integrate INPP’s Neuro-Developmental Delay Therapy with the Listening Fitness Program. This has proven to be quite successful with children who have experienced both programs."

In June, 2009 Anna visited the Movement and Learning Centre, Scotland where she received training in Bilateral Integration.

[Leonor]

The key to Anna's method is that she doesn't do both therapies at same time.

 

She starts with the neuro-developmental therapy and then she knows when the child is ready to do the Listening Fitness training.

[SKL]

Thanks! I will look more into Anna's program.

 

My dd's therapist would not prescribe TLP until she was convinced that a couple of the primitive reflexes had disappeared. So that may be similar to Anna's approach. It does not sound exactly the same, but it's hard for me as a layperson to say.

[J-rap]

My husband has mild auditory processing disorder since his stroke. He also has aphasia, and is learning to speak and understand language again. When there is a lot of commotion going on, his brain finds it hard to concentrate on the words in a conversation.

 

A couple speech pathologists have suggested TLP. Apparently they have had some success with it with people in similar circumstances. We're planning to give it a try after the new year.

 

Not sure if this is helpful, but that's what I know about the program so far! I'm curious to hear why others have to say.

[SKL]

The therapist said lots of parents actually brought this to her attention and the parents are gaga over this program. I wonder how that can be when the reaction here seems relatively lukewarm.

 

They don't have any of the ipods on eBay so that means a pretty big investment for something that "might" work. But I will probably do it. I was so happy with the vision eval/therapy my dd got that I am now a sucker for whatever else those folks sell me. :tongue_smilie:

[DyslexicParent]

What will be your total costs for the Listening Program? I went to an LD & ADHD Resource Fair and asked The Listening Centre of Toronto which disorder this program would be most helpful for. I was shocked that claims were made for cerebral palsy, Down Syndrome, autism, etc., along with the usual ADHD and dyslexia! :confused: It seems that every disorder I've ever heard of was being highlighted in the booth and the six brochures that I'm reading!

 

While I'm a desperate parent willing to spend for things I had never heard of in my life (but evidence-based) such as neurofeedback, n-back training, Lindamood-Bell Phoneme Sequencing and atomoxetine hydrochloride, I don't understand how the discredited Tomatis Method and listening to classical music with overpriced headphones can treat so many disorders. Anyway, good luck.

I wonder how that can be when the reaction here seems relatively lukewarm.

They don't have any of the ipods on eBay so that means a pretty big investment for something that "might" work.

[ZipMommy]

Wondering where you found that the Tomatis method was discredited?

Thanks.

[DyslexicParent]

Autism-watch.org and the book Healing Or Stealing? Medical Charlatans in the New Age, etc. There are so many unscientific and unproven methods that businesses exploit to sell false hope to desperate parents of children with autism, ADHD, dyslexia, etc. :mad:

Wondering where you found that the Tomatis method was discredited?

[lcook]

My son has CAPD and we tried The Listening Program and saw no results.

 

I recently read somewhere that The Listening Program is most effective with folks who have SPD affecting the auditory. It is not effective with folks who have CAPD. Apparently, CAPD and SPD can cause similar symptoms and it is important to determine which is the predominant cause of the auditory problems. I honestly don't know if this is correct, but found it interestng since my son does have CAPD and we did not have success with the Listening Program or other sensory related therapies we have tried.

[SKL]

My son has CAPD and we tried The Listening Program and saw no results.

 

I recently read somewhere that The Listening Program is most effective with folks who have SPD affecting the auditory. It is not effective with folks who have CAPD. Apparently, CAPD and SPD can cause similar symptoms and it is important to determine which is the predominant cause of the auditory problems. I honestly don't know if this is correct, but found it interestng since my son does have CAPD and we did not have success with the Listening Program or other sensory related therapies we have tried.

 

Hmm. My daughter does meet many of the sensory characteristics, though she has traits on both sides of the spectrum (hyper and hypo). I guess it goes back to trusting the therapist at this point that she would not prescribe something that isn't appropriate for our situation. She did say they do not prescribe it for kids who have certain retained primitive reflexes (moro and plantar?) because those reflexes mess with its effectiveness. So it sounds like she's not just pushing it on everyone. She also didn't prescribe it until our third meeting. Ugh, this is tough. Why can't anything be straight-forward?

[lcook]

Hmm. My daughter does meet many of the sensory characteristics, though she has traits on both sides of the spectrum (hyper and hypo). I guess it goes back to trusting the therapist at this point that she would not prescribe something that isn't appropriate for our situation. She did say they do not prescribe it for kids who have certain retained primitive reflexes (moro and plantar?) because those reflexes mess with its effectiveness. So it sounds like she's not just pushing it on everyone. She also didn't prescribe it until our third meeting. Ugh, this is tough. Why can't anything be straight-forward?

 

Awww, certainly more food for thought. A VT told us my son does have retained primitive reflexes. We worked on them for a year and made no progress (my son simply stalled at that pigeon walk, nothing we did would get him to master it). After a year, I felt we gave as good as we could and I tried a different VT. Anyway, sounds like your therapist would never have even recommended TLP for my son.

[SKL]

Awww, certainly more food for thought. A VT told us my son does have retained primitive reflexes. We worked on them for a year and made no progress (my son simply stalled at that pigeon walk, nothing we did would get him to master it). After a year, I felt we gave as good as we could and I tried a different VT. Anyway, sounds like your therapist would never have even recommended TLP for my son.

 

Yes, she tested repeatedly for moro just in case, and is convinced my dd doesn't have it at all.

 

I remember those pigeon walks from VT two years ago. My dd did that exercise every day for quite a while. Both of us were thoroughly fed up before they finally let us move on to something else. I am still somewhat surprised that she now shows no indication of the moro reflex. Almost seems too good to be true, considering.

[Storm Bay]

My son has CAPD and we tried The Listening Program and saw no results.

 

I recently read somewhere that The Listening Program is most effective with folks who have SPD affecting the auditory. It is not effective with folks who have CAPD. Apparently, CAPD and SPD can cause similar symptoms and it is important to determine which is the predominant cause of the auditory problems. I honestly don't know if this is correct, but found it interestng since my son does have CAPD and we did not have success with the Listening Program or other sensory related therapies we have tried.

 

There is no therapy that can work for everything. Originally Listening Therapy was helpful for Paul Madaule (who uses that method) in him overcoming his dyslexia. There is documented evidence that up to 70 percent of dyslexia has an auditory problem. We did VT, which helped my ds develop binocular vision, but we are going to do The Listening Program the inexpensive way at home. That way if it doesn't work, I'll be out less than $55, but if it does, hooray. I'm trying to avoid expensive testing if I can, but if this doesn't help, that's the next step. Ds definitely has some auditory & reading issues (some have been totally solved by the VT & I can see noticeable improvement, but not all) that may well stem from this.

 

A book that cites studies with music/listening is The Well Balanced Child.

 

The challenge is that people don't always fit into nice boxes that make it easy to say that such and such a therapy is the one to try all the time.

[momto4kings]

The Listening program is different from Tomatis.

 

I have used the TLP with all my kids, two of whom have had speech delays.

[Storm Bay]

The Listening program is different from Tomatis.

 

I have used the TLP with all my kids, two of whom have had speech delays.

 

Do you mean the one that Madaule does or a different one?

[Guest Sull1212]

I have started Interactive Metronome with my 11 year old daughter and her therapist is recommending The Listening Program to be used in conjunction. I am surprised to have such difficulty finding used versions of the program for sale or for lend. Is anyone willing to lend or sell their used version?

[Leonor]

I have The Listening Program on cds that I am willing to sell. I sent you a pm.

[Leonor]

The one that Paul Maudale does is the Tomatis. This is different from The Listening Program. My ds who has auditory processing issues did The LIstening Program twice at different ages-years apart- and I saw no difference. We just had the training with the Tomatis and I'm already seeing differences. I did this through www.annashousellc.com.

[Guest Sull1212]

Hi Lenor,

I tried to post you a pm. I am interested in speaking with you about the Listening Program and Anna's House. Please let me know the best way to reach you.

:)

[Storm Bay]

The one that Paul Maudale does is the Tomatis. This is different from The Listening Program. My ds who has auditory processing issues did The LIstening Program twice at different ages-years apart- and I saw no difference. We just had the training with the Tomatis and I'm already seeing differences. I did this through www.annashousellc.com.

 

Good to know. I'm curious, if you've done one why did you train for the other? I'd be interested to know if you find one more helpful than the other and why. It could be that different dc respond better to different programs or that one is inherently better or that they are both about the same in terms of effectiveness.

[Guest Gingerlilly]

I am selling the listening program iPod nano ( Includes Level Ine and Level one with Nature sounds)

If you are interested send me a message.

[Storm Bay]

"The Listening Program." He says this is some sort of classical music program that is mostly at home (using earphones), with semi-annual office visits. No idea how much the eval or the program will cost.

 

 

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

 

The Listening Program is more than just a classical music programme if followed correctly according to the instructions in the back of the book. You can try the simpler one at home and never go to the office if there isn't one close to you. We have the second choice as there is nothing closer.

 

If done through their office it also uses the mother's voice, and they modify it in a special way. I don't remember the details of that.

[Guest caius]

Gingerlilly

 

Do you still have the program to sell ? If so pls contact me

[Guest Lauren M]

If anyone is looking for a copy of the Listening Program, I have one for sale loaded on an i-Pod, virtually brand new, with the bone conduction headphones. The i-Pod also has several albums of classical music designed for different purposes, such as Relaxation, for Learning, for Inspiration etc.

I am selling the program as when I purchased it, I thought that some issues I had with understanding other peoples communications would be helped, however I misunderstood the purpose of the program. Please message me for more information. Lauren

[Guest Megb]

Lauren do you still have the iListen listening program with bone conduction for sale? I'm looking to buy one at the right price.

[Atilla the Mom]

My mother, who is a classical concert pianist and still (at 85) a college professor of music, used Tomatis, which is similar to TLP about 15 years ago, when she first started having significant issues with age/profession related hearing loss/tinnitus.  Apparently professional opera singers and instrumentalists alike swear it does wonders.  At the time the Washington DC area didn't have Tomatis, so she would fly out to Brussels every summer to spend two months at the Tomatis center there.  Mom was so enthusiastic about the program's good effects, that I got TLP for my kid who had CAPD, Visual Processing defects, and ADD.  The kid did TLP while doing vision therapy.  She didn't mind it, but I didn't see any improvement in her CAPD. (Vision therapy did help her visual issues, however.)  I handed the TLP tapes over to my mother, who said they were very like Tomatis, quit flying out to Belgium every summer, and currently just uses those to maintain her hearing abilities when she is exercising.

 

What I did find helped my kid was (in this order), Fast Forword www.scilearn.com, Earobics (she couldn't handle it before Fast Forward but this was 15 years ago, and I expect it has improved),  the Writing Road to Reading (which is an OG variant), and Lindamood Bell.  She spent a summer doing therapist based intervention at LB's Washington DC center.  I didn't think it did much good, but their summer program in Washington DC at the time was handled by unlicensed Australian speech therapy students, and was done in cubicles in a very noisy environment.  I wrote a letter of complaint to the licensing board and they wrote me back a formal letter saying that their one licensed speech therapist was personally in the tiny cubicle watching my student the entire time she was at their center that summer, but gave me my money back.  However, I did think that the Lindamood Bell MATERIALS - which you can buy on amazon - were very good, and I figured that I was just as smart as any unlicensed Aussie grad student and used it with her myself, with some positive effect.  I think a large part of the problem was the background noise, which is really hard on kids with CAPD.  I also liked Read Write and Type https://www.talkingfingers.com/online-demo/ which is a phonics based typing tutor.

 

For a younger child, I would begin with a combination of Earobics, Bob books, and Phonic Faces http://www.elementory.com/ .  That is what I did with my younger child.  (Actually she did Fast Forword at age not quite 4, before Earobics, Bob Books and Phonic Faces.  I only used the cards out of the Phonic Faces materials; I thought they were better than the Lindamood Bell mouth position cards,and much more appropriate for young kids.

 

Incidentally, I also used Interactive Metronome for eldest dd's ADD.  It was definitely worth the money.  I was sure about the diagnosis, because I had been trying out various interventions for her ADD by using the circle E method.  (Take an old, non English language book - I used an elderly German dictionary - and have her circle as many e's as she can in the space of 2 minutes without lifting the pencil from the page except at the end of the lines.  Tot up the scores of errors (skips and wrong letters over the total number of e's in the selection.)  Off Adderall she would have 5-6 skips per page.  On Adderall she would have 1-2 which is normal.)  After Interactive Metronome and off Adderall she consistently got 1-2 errors even months after the intervention, and we were able to stop the med.  Thyere was no improvement on TLP which she did about that time.  I didn't use this method when she was doing Fast Forword and my younger dd never had ADD.

 

 

 

[Guest DanB]

Hello,

 

We are looking to get the Listening program. Let me know if someone has it. Thank you in advance :)

Dan

[Joanna]

The Listening program is different from Tomatis.

 

I have used the TLP with all my kids, two of whom have had speech delays.

 

TLP is great, because the child's brain can be mapped in 4 regions which respond to different band of sound frequencies.

[Joanna]

TLP is great, because the child's brain can be mapped in 4 regions which respond to different band of sound frequencies.

It's been a while, but here - I've found the propper link - http://www.sensory-therapies.com/review/the-listening-program-tlp/.

[Toy]

Hello everyone,

I'm new to the site. Does anyone have the listening program iPod - level one for sale?

[Toy]

If anyone is looking for a copy of the Listening Program, I have one for sale loaded on an i-Pod, virtually brand new, with the bone conduction headphones. The i-Pod also has several albums of classical music designed for different purposes, such as Relaxation, for Learning, for Inspiration etc.

I am selling the program as when I purchased it, I thought that some issues I had with understanding other peoples communications would be helped, however I misunderstood the purpose of the program. Please message me for more information. Lauren

[Toy]

Hi Lauren,

I'm just checking to see if you sold the iPod set fir the listening program. Curious- which level did you purchase? Please advise. Thanks