wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I am so at a loss. Researching. Looking at samples. Researching more. I even went to the homeschool bookstore in Michigan while here visiting family and looked at different curriculum in person. I don't know what to do. After learning to read we don't do a "reading curriculum" for a while. Dd is ready for more now though. What do I mean by more? I don't know. She is ready for deeper understanding of what she reads. Does that make sense? I had decided to do lit guides with books but I can't find any good non fluff guides. She will be doing ancients and biology. I want her lit to correlate with that and a good list of classics but more than just reading them. (have I said that yet? :lol:) I just don't know what I want. I want something like Excellene in Lit for logic stage kids that follows history and science schedules plus good books. So, what do I want for dd? She tested at a lexile reading level of 969 2 months ago. Looking at this chart that is anywhere from 5th grade though high school (how do you make sense of these charts with such a big range?) So. Tell me what to use :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewelma Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) Here is my ds's 5th grade reading list. I like to give him some choice, so he did not read all of these. I read a lot of the ones that he read and then we discussed them. These discussions included literary elements like flashbacks or allusions, comparison between books, and societal context. My favourite discussion was about Henty's Victorian overlay on top of Egyptian history in the Cat of the Bubasties. HTH Ruth in NZ Ancients, Grade 5 Egypt Tales of Ancient Egypt, Green Golden Goblet Mara, Daughter of the Nile Cat of Bubastes, Henty Pyramid, McCaulay India Tales from India, Gray or Green? Myths and Legends Horowitz Greece Black Ships Before Troy, Sutcliff The Wanderings of Odysseus, Sutcliff Story of the Greeks (history, online) Tales of Greek Heroes, Green Heroes of Greece and Troy, Green, 1st ½ same as above, 2nd ½ on Troy) Rome Lantern Bearers series, Sutcliff Eagle of the Ninth The silver Branch Frontier Wolf Outcast For the Temple, Henty Young Carthaginian, Henty Age of Fable Story of the Romans The last Days of Socrates, Plato Aenid for children Aesop's Fables City, MacCaulay Myans Well of Sacrifice Secrets of the Stone Lady of Palenque (modern from diary series) Heart of Jaguar (modern, violent 1200's) Britian Warrior Scarlet , Sutcliff Beric the Briton, Henty China Lady of Ch'lao Kuo (modern from diary series) The left-handed Spirit Science and Religion Encyclopedia of ideas that changed the world August Caesar's world Archimedes and the Door of Science Edited May 3, 2012 by lewelma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malory Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Lewelma, thank you for sharing your list. Do you have a similar one for Middle Ages? I would love to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewelma Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) First list is for my ds to read (he will not read all of these. He likes choice). Second list is for my dh to read to both boys (ages 11 and 8 at the time). History: Middle Ages and Early Renaissance (ds to read for 6th grade literature and history) 400-1000 Early Middle ages: Knights and Castles, Feudalism, Vikings Beowulf the Warrior , Sutcliff , The story of Rolf and the Viking Bow French , Sir Gawain and the Green Knight ,Tolkien Conn Yankee in King Arthur's Court , The Once and Future King, White, (trilogy) Tales from Arabian Nights Lang, 1000-1400 High Middle ages: Crusades, Holy Roman Empire Byzantium, Plague Ivanho Crispin: Cross of Lead, Avi Catherine Called Birdy, Cushman Mary, bloody Mary Meyer Sir Nigel, Doyle The White Company, Doyle Canturbury Tales, Original, just a few stories, Lord of the Rings, Tolkien, (trilogy) Eastern China, India, Japan, Africa (Mali), Khmer Empire A Single Shard, Park Lady of Ch'lao Kuo diary series South America Incas, Aztecs, Conquistadors Lady of Palenque diary series The Left-handed Spirit The captive O'Dell Early Rennaissance Apr, May, June Joan of Arc, Twain, Black Arrow, Stephenson Trumpeter of Krakow Dante's divine comedy Chwast (graphic novel), Optional by Sutcliff Outcast- Britain under roman rule, focus on celts and picts Sutcliff has a series on Arthur Mark of the horse lord – brtian under roman rul, N tribes Shining Company – britain, fuedal chiefs, saxons Blood Fued , Sutcliff , britain, constantinople Sword Song – vikings Read alouds 400-1000 Early Middle ages: Knights and Castles, Feudalism, Vikings British, White Stag (Attila the Hun) Vikings, Beowolf Castles, feudalism,Castle, City Macaulay King Arthur and His Knights, Pyle Arabian, Islam, One Thousand and One Nights, McCaughrean 1000-1400 High Middle ages: Crusades, Holy Roman Empire Byzentine empire, Plague High middle ages Adventures of Robin Hood, Pyle Midwife's apprentice Adam of the Road, Gray Shadow of a bull – Bull fighting Canturburly tales McCaughrean Eastern China, India, Japan, Africa, Khmer Empire Samurai's Tale, Haugaard South America Incas, Aztecs, Conquistadors Secret of the Andes Around the World's Rim Early Rennaissance Shakespeare Macbeth, Hamlet, A Midsummer Night’s Dream; Taming of the Shrew; Much Ado About Master Cronhhill – Plague in 1654, London fire Eyewitness: Vikings, Knights, Midevial Life, Castle, Arms and Armor, Edited May 3, 2012 by lewelma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewelma Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Here is next year's list for Early Modern in 7th grade Early modern: Europe Three Muskateers, Dumas Twenty Years After, Dumas Man in the Iron Mask, Dumas Rob Roy, Scott Mutiny on the Bounty, Nordhoff Count of Monte Cristo, Dumas The Scarlett Pimpernel, Orczy Tale of Two Cities, Dickens Coral Island, Ballantyne Early modern: America The House of the Seven Gables, Hawthorne Autobiography of Ben Franklin Autobiography of Fredrick Douglas Red Badge of Courage, Crane Gone with the Wind, Mitchell Huck Fin, Twain Pudd'nhead Wilson, Twain Innocents Abroad, Twain Late Modern Travels with Charley, Steinbeck Gift of the Magi (and others), O Henry To Kill a Mockingbird, Lee Distopian Iron Heel, London, 1908 Anthem by Ayn Rand, 1937 Walden 2, Skinner, 1948 Farenheit 451, Bradbury, 1953 Chrysalids, Windham, 1955 Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? PK Dick, 1968 Running Man, Bachman (King), 1982 House of Scorpian, N Farmer, 2002 Uglies, Westerfield, 2005 Hunger Games, Collins, 2011 Classic Sci Fi Invisible Man, Wells Mysterious Island, Verne The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Heinlein Lost World, Doyle The Star Diaries, Lem A Perfect Vacuum, Lem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily_Grace Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Have you checked out Moving Beyond The Page? The lit guides include doing projects and research on character setting. For example, The Giver has them looking for allegory and metaphors as well as creating things like posters of the 12 stages/years. My Side Of The Mountain has them doing research into the mountain range, animal relationships, and learning different styles of questions. You can buy individual guides to correspond to what you're studying rather than staying with the suggested grade level and buying an entire package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malory Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Great lists! Thanks again for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwickimom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 :bigear: I am in the EXACT same boat as OP and we are also doing Ancients and Biology for 5th next year. I cannot find what I am looking for either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mama Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 What about Classical House of Learning Literature (referred to as CHOLL)? Laura has Ancients, Middle Ages & Modern for Grammar Stage and Ancients & Middle Ages for Logic Stage. It's a great program and it's free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The lit guides from Blackbird and Company are wonderful, but it looks like they don't have the time period you'd like. I thought I'd mention them anyway, just in case :001_smile:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momto2blessings Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I'm planning on buying Teaching the Classics and using it's methods to apply to any lit. we read. We use Ambleside's literature lists. I'm hoping this will eliminate my feeling the need to buy lit. guides....we'll see:) Blessings, Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 Thank you! I will look into Moving Beyond the Page and CHOLL. lewelma thank you for the list!! I will see what I can do with that as well :001_smile: And... just in case still looking for suggestions LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 Have you checked out Moving Beyond The Page? The lit guides include doing projects and research on character setting. For example, The Giver has them looking for allegory and metaphors as well as creating things like posters of the 12 stages/years. My Side Of The Mountain has them doing research into the mountain range, animal relationships, and learning different styles of questions. You can buy individual guides to correspond to what you're studying rather than staying with the suggested grade level and buying an entire package. So I am looking at their website and I have a question. Is the reading lumped in with the Language Arts? Would that be what I bought? Is there somewhere I am missing that specifically talks about the reading alone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDays Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Lewelma, thanks so much for those lists!! I am marking this thread for future reference!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily_Grace Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 So I am looking at their website and I have a question. Is the reading lumped in with the Language Arts? Would that be what I bought? Is there somewhere I am missing that specifically talks about the reading alone? Right, it's lumped into Language Arts. Each of the guides cover one book with questions, projects, and light language arts tied in. Rainbow Resource sells them independently, too, and you get a sample for each guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_girls_mommy Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 I am going to go w/CHOLL for next year. After rereading logic reading, I have decided that will be enough. WTM only has you asking some questions and discussing more in depth in logic and gives a few lit. guide suggestions if you need them. CHOLL will give me the schedule of books for dd to read and my library carries most of them. It will give her assignments and vocab and lead us in discussion. I am hoping it will be a good year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pereztribe Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Christine Miller has a book out called All through the Ages. She matches books with time frames, genre, grade levels, and even geography. I hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverMoon Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) . Edited July 12, 2022 by SilverMoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabel Lee Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 I'm in the same boat as you, OP, except I'm wondering what to do for my to-be 6th grader. This year (5th gr.) was hit-and-miss for literature. I would love a set of guides, meaty in real literary study - no fluff, all put together into a year-long curriculum that is part of an organized, multi-grade, well-planned scope & sequence. That way the progression of skills and the review would have some rhyme & reason, rather than just running through random guides and completely missing some things while overlapping others. I don't think that's too much to ask, is it? ;) If you know the name of such a thing, please do tell. I can't wait to get through TWEM. I need more confidence & knowledge for both teaching literature and discernment in choosing literature curricula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morosophe Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 I'm in the same boat as you, OP, except I'm wondering what to do for my to-be 6th grader. This year (5th gr.) was hit-and-miss for literature. I would love a set of guides, meaty in real literary study - no fluff, all put together into a year-long curriculum that is part of an organized, multi-grade, well-planned scope & sequence. That way the progression of skills and the review would have some rhyme & reason, rather than just running through random guides and completely missing some things while overlapping others. I don't think that's too much to ask, is it? ;) If you know the name of such a thing, please do tell. Well, if you want a basic scope and sequence to make sure you aren't missing anything fundamental, you could try looking for that, and seeing what state guidelines have to say, whether yours or others. Here, for instance, is the Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools' (North Carolina) idea of what should be taught in each grade, K through 5th; it's followed up by 6th through 8th. (Links are to the Google Quick View versions of the PDF files.) This is honestly the first thing Google pops up on a search for "English language arts scope and sequence" (although my first search term was "scope and sequence literary terms"), and it seems pretty comprehensible and comprehensive. If you used this, you wouldn't have to worry about having missed something vital for your children's knowledge in elementary or junior high. The first few pages of each list linked above, after the one-page introduction, are the "READING" section, which is what you are most interested in, right? (I'm just ignoring the "WRITING," etc., sections.) In this, the "THEMES" section is one I would be most tempted to ignore, since that's the most "classroomy" thing there. You could look through the entire list of themes to get an idea what to talk about for your current book, though. The "GENRE" and particularly the "LITERARY TERMS" sections are much more useful, while the "READING PROCESS" section is kind of vaguely interesting but not terribly helpful. But since the "LITERARY TERMS" section is the one that I think most people are discussing here, let's talk about it. You could use it to evaluate any more "piecemeal" program, such as individual guides for your books. Do they cover everything listed? You could also use it to create your own LA program, or at least customize one that you already have. What should your student know cold by the end of the year? In this particular scope and sequence, these are the "Define and identify" items, which they should have been working on for several years already. Make sure you hit this for every book possible, and move toward not needing to ask leading questions. For fifth grade (the subject of this post, right?) these would be: Characters Setting Plot Sequence of events Conflict Resolution Main Idea/Details Note that this is somewhat genre-specific: while "who" (characters) and "where" (setting), fits practically any genre, whether "what" is "main idea/details" or "plot/sequence of events" (which includes "conflict" and "resolution") depends upon whether it's a news article or a novel. Anyhow, the next bit of the "LiTERARY TERMS" section--"Continue to develop" is stuff that your child would have been exposed to already, if you'd used this scope and sequence in previous years, but that are still "works in progress." This is a pretty lengthy list, for the fifth grade, but you can see how it's even more genre-specific: Point of View Fact and opinion Cause & Effect Italicized Words Rhyme Rhythm Repetition Figurative Language: Simile Metaphor Imagery Author’s choice of words Stanza Verse Dialogue Personification Exaggeration I'd like to point out that a good half of the list is either poetry-specific or very, very easy to teach with poetry. Rhyme, rhythm, repetition, simile, metaphor, imagery, stanza, verse, personification: I'd definitely use poetry (which is all ABOUT an author's choice of words) for many of these. Some people like to do a poetry unit; some like to do "tea and poetry for Tuesday"; some (like me, so far, since I use Sonlight) like to read poetry a few times a week. So, talk about poems you like, and why you like them. Are there a lot of "crunchy," "whistly," etc. sounds, (which is one kind of repetition)? For "author's choice of words," how would the sound of the poem change if you substituted a synonym or two? (I still remember an exercise from my high school AP class that did just that to an Ogden Nash poem. I also still remember the Ogden Nash poem.) Can your child look at poetry and try to determine its rhyme scheme? Try to introduce each of the above terms (the ones your child doesn't already know) in depth with a poem, and then every time you read a new poem for the week (or whatever), see if your kid(s) can spot the already-learned literary devices used. It's not like it'd be impossible to cover point of view, dialogue, and exaggeration with poetry, either, though it'd probably be more simple to do so with novels. Italicized words should actually be covered in grammar, in my opinion, although you can certainly talk about why things are italicized when you come across them in literature; cause and effect should probably be introduced in logic (or maybe science), and discussed in history and science, but you could talk about what motivates people to act in a particular way in a story, or why the heavy flooding in the story causes certain kinds of problems, etc., I guess. Separating fact and opinion (as opposed to fact and fiction), again, is something that is probably more suited to nonfiction, much like the "main idea/details" above. And then the last category in the scope and sequence, "Become aware of," has concepts you're supposed to introduce this year. For fifth grade, these are: Idioms Onomatopoeia I leave introducing these as an exercise to the reader. :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabel Lee Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Wow, thanks for taking the time to type out such a detailed response, Morosophe! Hopefully it's as helpful to the OP, wy_kid_wrangler. I still wish there were somthing that didn't assume I know what all these things are and where to find excellent examples of them in literature without spending hours online and at the library. IOW, something that teaches literature with student & teacher books (that reference real, whole books for the selections) like Saxon or Abeka or even Singapore teaches math. It would tell me *how* to teach it. I'm starting to think this thing doesn't exist. That's not to say your idea isn't pretty darn awesome, Morosophe, because it is. It will just take me a bit more prep time than I had hoped, if I pull it all together myself. OK, I have a bad habit of doing this and need to just make new threads for my own questions. Sorry for the hijack, OP. I hope you found my rabbit trail at least somewhat helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggermom Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 This is our 5th grade reading list: 5th Grade An Old Fashioned Girl by Louisa May Alcott Rose in Bloom by Louisa May Alcott 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens The Prince and the Pauper by Mark Twain A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens Carry On, Mr. Bowditch by Jean Lee Latham Rifles for Watie by Harold Keith Across Five Aprils by Irene Hunt The Story of My Life by Helen Keller Michael Faraday, Father of Electronics by Charles Ludwig Anne of Greene Gables by L.M. Montgomery Lad: A Dog by Albert Payson Terhune Johnny Tremain by Esther Forbes Old Yeller by Fred Gibson The Complete Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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