Was told to get Lips - where do I start?

[momsuz123]

So, the private SLP we are working with (who comes to our house, yay!), recommended that we start Lips. The SLP who also did my dd eval at the Children's hospital recommended this. We held off until the SLP who was going to be working with her agreed too.

 

So, where do we start? She is reading on grade level, first grader (even though she is a young first grader). She has trouble though "hearing" all the sounds. She can say all the sounds each letter makes, but put them in a word, and that is harder, especially blends and endings. Would we need to buy all the Lips curriculum or just some? How do we start?

Any advice would be great. Thanks.

[merry gardens]

Before spending any money on this, I recommend you check out the Barton website tutor screening to make sure YOU hear these sounds accurately. Also, if English isn't your native language or if you have any speech or auditory problems, it may be better to leave this remediation to someone else.

 

If you can detect the different sounds and make them and you can afford the whole program plus the training DVD's, then great! The Lindamood Bell products are nice. I've bought several of their products and have never regretted buying any of them. However, if you have the skills, it's possible to do LiPS from the manual along with some of their manipulatives supplemented with some homemade manipulatives.

 

I found a used manual, then after reading through it, I bought their clings, training dvd on vowels, and a few other things (some that I could have made at home.) They have several things that I would have loved, that I didn't get. I'm glad that I got the vowel training dvd that I did, and while I managed to do it without the one on consonants, I think that would have been helpful to have seen. Recently, LMB has come out with something they call a "LiPStick" with the electronic files that can be printed out to create some of the materials. That might be worth looking at. Here's one other thought: maybe the slp that your child saw might have the manual or trainng dvd's that you could borrow to take a look through to help you figure out what you think you'll need.

Edited February 24, 2012 by merry gardens

[momsuz123]

Before spending any money on this, I recommend you check out the Barton website tutor screening to make sure YOU hear these sounds accurately. Also, if English isn't your native language or if you have any speech or auditory problems, it may be better to leave this remediation to someone else.

 

If you can detect the different sounds and make them and you can afford the whole program plus the training DVD's, then great! The Lindamood Bell products are nice. I've bought several of their products and have never regretted buying any of them. However, if you have the skills, it's possible to do LiPS from the manual along with some of their manipulatives supplemented with some homemade manipulatives.

 

I found a used manual, then after reading through it, I bought their clings, training dvd on vowels, and a few other things (some that I could have made at home.) They have several things that I would have loved, that I didn't get. I'm glad that I got the vowel training dvd that I did, and while I managed to do it without the one on consonants, I think that would have been helpful to have seen. Recently, LMB has come out with something they call a "LiPStick" with the electronic files that can be printed out to create some of the materials. That might be worth looking at. Here's one other thought: maybe the slp that your child saw might have the manual or trainng dvd's that you could borrow to take a look through to help you figure out what you think you'll need.

 

 

Thanks for the input. As far I know, I am pretty sure I am hearing everything good, but will take up your advice and look at the Barton site. Yes, I will have to piece together what I all need from Lips. I feelnI have seen some improvement with my dd just with being hs, and me getting ideas from all you fab ladies!

 

The other day i had her hopping on big foam letters of the first or last sound she heard in a word. The beginning sound was much easier for her, but those ending sounds were tricky. For "kick" she hesistated and asked me, "did you say kick or kit?". I thought that was good that she asked me that, in the past she wouldn't have.

 

Okay, later on I will sit down and look at their site (gotta find that site again). I am sure I will have more questions for you, thanks.

 

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[momsuz123]

Okay, do I just get the Lips, what if I need Seeing Stars, or Visualizing and Verbabilizing. How do I know? Please let me know, thanks.

[Lecka]

I think if she is working on beginning and ending sounds then you would do Lips (vs. the other Lindamood-Bell programs).

 

That sounds like my son... confusing k/t and also having an easier time with beginning sounds than ending sounds.

 

My son is in school so he takes the Dibels assessment.... they start with beginning sounds, and ending sounds are later in the year. It is considered easier to do beginning sounds than ending sounds.

 

Repeating myself -- but my son was in private speech 2 hours a week doing things like Lips (articulation below the 10th percentile) and I did a mix of Barton level 1, AAS 1, Reading Reflex but with AAS 1 tiles, and some free downloads from Abecedarian, and then went to I See Sam and did the first 3 levels of I See Sam. The foamy letters sound great! I was casting around doing random things for a long time, and might have been better off with some foamy letters, lol. I thought the "files" from the yahoo group Heart of Reading was good, also.

 

My son does not need Seeing Stars or Visualizing and Verbalizing in my opinion. He is making slow and steady progress now that he has got the phonemic awareness down. He was making no progress for a while (aka Kindergarden) but he is at grade level now in 1st grade. At my son's school they did their phonemic awareness activities without using letters -- spoken only, or with pictures. Pictures I think are good, too, but what he needed was letters, so he could see and hear things at the same time, and have a manipulative to move around. I didn't do anything to make his letters be tactile (like having foam letters) but I bet that would have helped. His letters are just a letter printed on a piece of paper (from AAS), and they are great for him, but I have wondered in retrospect if he would have done better with different letters.

 

edit: It is possible I might want to try something from Seeing Stars in the future, but I doubt it right now. It is hard to tell though -- right now he is making progress, but if he stopped being progress I would be looking again and would look at Seeing Stars or Barton or Wilson I suspect (probably Barton or Wilson). Right now we are doing Abecedarian Level B at home and will finish it by the end of summer, and it is fine right now. Visualizing and Verbalizing is more of a comprehension program -- my understanding is that it is more for a child who has trouble following along with what is going on in a story. At this point I don't think that is going to be an issue, b/c his listening comprehension is good and he knows what is going on in his little readers.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Lecka

[merry gardens]

Okay, do I just get the Lips, what if I need Seeing Stars, or Visualizing and Verbabilizing. How do I know? Please let me know, thanks.

LiPS is a good start--and may be all that you need. Seeing Stars and Visualizing and Verbalizing are different programs to work on different areas.

 

Since you say your dd is a young first grader and reading at grade level, she probably doesn't need Seeing Stars to read common words at this point. If spelling of common words or word parts becomes a problem in the future, it can help with spelling too. There are other programs and ways to address spelling too. Sometimes occupational therapists and vision therapists cover these skills too in similar or different ways, as it's part of sight memory for words.

 

Visualizing and Verbalizing works primarily on comprehension. It may be helpful if she struggles with word retrival because it's designed to link words to images and vice-versa. Depending on your child and your private slp, the slp may work on some of those areas too if it's needed. Again, at first grade if your dd is reading and comprehending at grade level, it's not likely a program she needs at this point. If in the future she's decoding accurately and yet not comprehending what she reads, or if she struggles with word choices, then it might be something to consider then. If you have a good slp, I'd ask her opinion.

 

I've tried pieces of all three programs, on top of using Barton. My ds struggled with reading from day one, but he was about second grade age before we started with LiPS because he couldn't pass the Barton screen. (I wish at least one of the two slp he saw had suggested LiPS. :glare: Don't get me started...)

 

LMB has developed programs to help with various aspects of reading and spelling, but I consider LiPS their foundational program that sets them apart from all the other reading and spelling programs out there. If you think your dd needs other LMB programs in the future, you might also want to look at Orton-Gillingham programs. Phonemic awareness is largely linked with dyslexia, and if your dd shows signs of phonemic awareness problems now, you might want to consider an O-G based program once she's completed LiPs. The full LiPs program covers "pre-Barton" (very basic yet foundational phonemic awareness skills) to several of the early levels of Barton, but a full O-G programs like Barton and others continue further on to a higher reading levels that are well beyond first grade.

 

Blah, blah, blah...I can go on and on about this....

[Lecka]

I agree.

[momsuz123]

LiPS is a good start--and may be all that you need. Seeing Stars and Visualizing and Verbalizing are different programs to work on different areas.

 

Since you say your dd is a young first grader and reading at grade level, she probably doesn't need Seeing Stars to read common words at this point. If spelling of common words or word parts becomes a problem in the future, it can help with spelling too. There are other programs and ways to address spelling too. Sometimes occupational therapists and vision therapists cover these skills too in similar or different ways, as it's part of sight memory for words.

 

Visualizing and Verbalizing works primarily on comprehension. It may be helpful if she struggles with word retrival because it's designed to link words to images and vice-versa. Depending on your child and your private slp, the slp may work on some of those areas too if it's needed. Again, at first grade if your dd is reading and comprehending at grade level, it's not likely a program she needs at this point. If in the future she's decoding accurately and yet not comprehending what she reads, or if she struggles with word choices, then it might be something to consider then. If you have a good slp, I'd ask her opinion.

 

I've tried pieces of all three programs, on top of using Barton. My ds struggled with reading from day one, but he was about second grade age before we started with LiPS because he couldn't pass the Barton screen. (I wish at least one of the two slp he saw had suggested LiPS. :glare: Don't get me started...)

 

LMB has developed programs to help with various aspects of reading and spelling, but I consider LiPS their foundational program that sets them apart from all the other reading and spelling programs out there. If you think your dd needs other LMB programs in the future, you might also want to look at Orton-Gillingham programs. Phonemic awareness is largely linked with dyslexia, and if your dd shows signs of phonemic awareness problems now, you might want to consider an O-G based program once she's completed LiPs. The full LiPs program covers "pre-Barton" (very basic yet foundational phonemic awareness skills) to several of the early levels of Barton, but a full O-G programs like Barton and others continue further on to a higher reading levels that are well beyond first grade.

 

Blah, blah, blah...I can go on and on about this....

 

 

Please Merry Gardens, don't let me stop you, keep going on.:) I am so appreciative of all you and others are advicing me to do. So, I did just buy the full LiPS kit. Since 2 different SLP have recommended it, I felt like, let's do it. I am going to look into something else someone mentioned from EPS.

 

Thanks again, and any other ideas or advice just let me know.