wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 We are going to use TT for dd's. For dd who will be in 9th-- I know Algebra 1 is not as rigorous as most but the 2.0 version appears to have ramped it up a bit. Can somebody who is more math smart than I help me figure out how far into Algebra 2 we would go to get a full Algebra 1 course for 9th grade? I plan to supplement (extra practice) with the Humongous Book of Algebra Problems so she has plenty of practice. I plan to go into Algebra 2 before Geometry in 10th so I assume for Algebra 2 we would finish the Algebra 2 TT and go into the Pre-Calc to finish Algebra 2?? After that We would do something for Geometry then she would be off to CC for 12th grade math ;). Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2twoWTM Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 :bigear: Definitely listening in. I purchased the older version of Algebra 1 used to try it(can return it later this week). My girls are sort of struggling / sort of hating Saxon so I'm giving this a whirl and if they like it I'll probably return the older version and buy 2.0. However, the girls are looking over the table of contents and reviewing a few lessons so far and this it's more like Pre-Algebra. This week I'll be giving them pre-tests for Algebra 1 and 2 from TT website. Interested to hear other thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDad Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just wanted to comment that The Humoungus Book of Algebra Problems, as with all books in that series, is more than just practice problems - it also actually teaches. I mean, it's not a standalone. Definitely a supplement. But just wanted to make sure you know what you're getting into, that it's actually sort of a curriculum in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just wanted to comment that The Humoungus Book of Algebra Problems, as with all books in that series, is more than just practice problems - it also actually teaches. I mean, it's not a standalone. Definitely a supplement. But just wanted to make sure you know what you're getting into, that it's actually sort of a curriculum in itself. Do you think it would work for supplement? I am not opposed to teaching incase dd needs extra help but the main reason I want it is for the extra practice. Thoughts? Is there something else that you would recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jann in TX Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I would reconsider Geometry after Algebra 2... It is much easier to pick up Algebra 2 after a year off -- well Geometry is not a total year off as the basics are used in a Geometry course. If working Geometry after Algebra 2 the student WILL forget a good percentage of Algebra 2... as it will not be seen or used-- this makes moving on to college maths MORE DIFFICULT. The logic explored in Geometry can HELP in understanding Algebra 2 and college level maths... I personally did A1 then A2 followed by Geometry... I had to drop Pre-Calc and self-teach Algebra 2 (again) to refresh before retaking Pre-Calc and moving on to Calc. I would NEVER recommend this sequence! TT's Algebra 1 is not that off from 'standard'. Their Geometry covers all of the essentials--with lots of proofs and formula work (probably the TT course closest to standard in their series!). TT's Algebra 2 is the level most lacking when compared to 'standards'. You would need the majority of their Pre-Calc course to complete a full 'standard' Algebra 2 course... If you use TT and will be 'college prep' then I would continue through their Pre_Calc program (working Geometry in between A1 and A2). Follow the TT Pre-Calc with a one-semester Pre-Calculus course taken at a CC or university then student should be good to go into any Calc course with confidence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 I would reconsider Geometry after Algebra 2... It is much easier to pick up Algebra 2 after a year off -- well Geometry is not a total year off as the basics are used in a Geometry course. If working Geometry after Algebra 2 the student WILL forget a good percentage of Algebra 2... as it will not be seen or used-- this makes moving on to college maths MORE DIFFICULT. The logic explored in Geometry can HELP in understanding Algebra 2 and college level maths... I personally did A1 then A2 followed by Geometry... I had to drop Pre-Calc and self-teach Algebra 2 (again) to refresh before retaking Pre-Calc and moving on to Calc. I would NEVER recommend this sequence! TT's Algebra 1 is not that off from 'standard'. Their Geometry covers all of the essentials--with lots of proofs and formula work (probably the TT course closest to standard in their series!). TT's Algebra 2 is the level most lacking when compared to 'standards'. You would need the majority of their Pre-Calc course to complete a full 'standard' Algebra 2 course... If you use TT and will be 'college prep' then I would continue through their Pre_Calc program (working Geometry in between A1 and A2). Follow the TT Pre-Calc with a one-semester Pre-Calculus course taken at a CC or university then student should be good to go into any Calc course with confidence! Ok I will do Geometry between Algebra 1 and 2. This actually will make dd happy because she didn't want to do 2 years of Algebra in a row. I had heard that its best to do Algebra 1 and 2 then go on to Geometry from a local homeschool friend because their brain is already thinking algebraically but nobody as knowledgeable in Math as you ;) (being that you are a tutor I will take your advice :001_smile:). I wasn't sure about TT Geometry course so that is actually very good to hear! Yeah, I had planned on doing the TT 'Pre-Calc' in her Algebra 2 year (now 11th instead of 10th) then go onto Pre-Calc at the CC. How much of the Algebra 2 do you think we should do in 9th? I just don't know at what point in Algebra 2 it moves from Algebra 1 to Algebra 2 concepts, kwim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jann in TX Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 When she completes A1 then go into Geometry-- that is enough Algebra 1 for Geometry-- then continue on to A2 from the beginning after Geometry-- that way the continuity is preserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 When she completes A1 then go into Geometry-- that is enough Algebra 1 for Geometry-- then continue on to A2 from the beginning after Geometry-- that way the continuity is preserved. TT Algebra 1 will be enough?? Good! Thank you :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex-mex Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I would reconsider Geometry after Algebra 2... It is much easier to pick up Algebra 2 after a year off -- well Geometry is not a total year off as the basics are used in a Geometry course. If working Geometry after Algebra 2 the student WILL forget a good percentage of Algebra 2... as it will not be seen or used-- this makes moving on to college maths MORE DIFFICULT. The logic explored in Geometry can HELP in understanding Algebra 2 and college level maths... I personally did A1 then A2 followed by Geometry... I had to drop Pre-Calc and self-teach Algebra 2 (again) to refresh before retaking Pre-Calc and moving on to Calc. I would NEVER recommend this sequence! TT's Algebra 1 is not that off from 'standard'. Their Geometry covers all of the essentials--with lots of proofs and formula work (probably the TT course closest to standard in their series!). TT's Algebra 2 is the level most lacking when compared to 'standards'. You would need the majority of their Pre-Calc course to complete a full 'standard' Algebra 2 course... If you use TT and will be 'college prep' then I would continue through their Pre_Calc program (working Geometry in between A1 and A2). Follow the TT Pre-Calc with a one-semester Pre-Calculus course taken at a CC or university then student should be good to go into any Calc course with confidence! Thanks Jann! I knew to follow the Alg I, Geometry, Algebra II & Pre-Calculus route based on my old school district I worked at as a schoolteacher -- and based on the wisdom of the Hive. ;) Having completed TT Algebra I and now into TT Geometry, I agree that the logic introduced in Geometry is preparing for Algebra II and beyond. I was wondering about the transition into college with TT and thanks you for answering the question with taking a Pre-Calculus course before Calculus. Yay!! It will definitely help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 For what it's worth, I had two students do the sequence. The first did Alg 1, Alg 2, then Geometry. The second put Geometry in the middle. It didn't really matter for my guys. What I think is necessary is to have Geometry fairly close to when they take the PSAT/SAT/ACT as Geometry tends to be fairly easily forgotten compared to Algebra (which continues to be used more). If I had it to do over again, I'd likely do Alg 2 and Geometry together taking two years... but I say that not actually having done it. It just seems like a really good idea to keep everything fresh. TT Pre-Calc includes typical Alg 2 topics that aren't on the SAT/ACT, so one can easily do those after any testing. They should be covered prior to any sort of college level math - at least any STEM math. My oldest has a non-stem math course (business calc) and he's finding it ridiculously easy (he's already had Calc at home). Their prof isn't making them do matrices or other things he had to learn here (in Pre-Calc) as they do all that with technology now. They do have to know how to set it up to put it in the computer program... And this school is one of the highest scoring on the MFT (Major Field Test) for business, so I don't think it's outside the norm for his major. For STEM majors I would hope they still need to know how to do the math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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