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I just wanted to share that this year we're using Teaching Textbooks 5 for my daughter's fifth grade math curriculum. (Last year we used Oak Meadow's built in 4th grade math curriculum; prior to that she was in public school).

 

We just got this year's standardized test scores back, and I wanted to share the math portion of her results. We used the CAT/5 from Thurber's Educational Assessments.

 

With the Stanine Scores,the highest you can get is a 9. The "National Percentile" number means she scored as well as or better than that percentage of students nationwide who took this test.

 

Results:

 

Math Computation - Stanine 6; National Percentile 77.

Math Concepts & Application - Stanine 7; National Percentile 81.

Total Mathematics - Stanine 7; National Percentile 82.

 

For comparison, this is a child who I do not consider particularly "mathy" and who had been starting to develop a "math is hard, I'm not good at math" attitude by the time I started homeschooling her toward the very end of third grade. In fourth grade, we used Oak Meadow's built in math curriculum and she'd taken the CAT-E from Seton just for the heck of it last year, even though we didn't have to do standardized testing that year.

 

Last year, her math scores were:

 

Math Computation: Percentile, 58; Stanine 5.

Concept & Application: Percentile 59; Stanine 5.

Mathematics Total: Percentile 59; Stanine 5.

 

I had been happy with that. She was a bit above average, scoring right where she "should" for her age and grade level, and I thought that was great considering she wasn't "mathy," and I was a pretty relaxed homeschooler.

 

This year we started Teaching Textbooks because in the older, used version of Oak Meadow I have, they only had their own built in math curriculum up until fourth grade. Once 5th grade came along, they recommended Saxon. I knew Saxon was not for us and that it would make us miserable (I'm not "mathy" either), and after a lot of reading up on it, I decided on Teaching Textbooks. AND I decided to keep her at her grade level, not try to get a higher grade level just because TT was said to be "behind," because I wanted her to get it, not struggle with it.

 

I know a lot of people here worry that TT is "below grade level" or "not good enough" or what have you- but we LOVE Teaching Textbooks over here, and here's why:

 

1. My daughter is ENJOYING Teaching Textbooks

2. She is UNDERSTANDING Teaching Textbooks

3. She is GAINING CONFIDENCE from Teaching Textbooks and no longer says anything like "I'm not good at math" or "math is too hard" (although once in a blue moon she does still say "math gives me a headache" haha).

4. She can do it pretty independently

5. It's not overly time-consuming (about 30 minutes per lesson, 4-5X a week)

 

And now, I can add 6.-

 

Her math scores (as per the standardized test results, even though we used a different version of the test this year) have improved over last year, and are in my opinion very good, especially for a non-mathy kid using a math curriculum many people put down as not being advanced enough.

 

Am I saying she's suddenly a math genius? No. But a non-mathy kid using Teaching Textbooks (no supplementing with anything else) took a standardized test and overall did as well as or better than 82% of the rest of the students who took this test nationwide and to me, that's huge.

 

I do believe it goes to show that you CAN use Teaching Textbooks without worrying that you're burying your kid light years behind all the other kids- that's just not true.

 

Anyway, I just wanted to share in case this helped anybody make a decision about TT. :) If you want more info about TT and care to take a peek at my review of it, you can see it here:

 

http://nancextoo.livejournal.com/124221.html

 

And if you are curious to see the rest of our standardized test score results from 4th and 5th grades, you can see them here:

 

http://nancextoo.livejournal.com/172564.html

 

P.S. If anyone else wants to share how their standardized tests went after using Teaching Textbooks, feel free to do so in this thread if you'd like!

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Thanks so much for posting this. We are on our second year with TT, and dd is absolutely loving it. I sometimes second guess my choices when I read reviews about TT being "behind", but we are going to stick with it. Last year when I was making curriculum choices, dd said to me, "Just don't change the math Mom, I love Teaching Textbooks."

I just recently went through a little panic moment after reading a couple of threads about TT. I wanted to make sure dd would not end up being when she reache HS. Well, I have cured myself of that and we will stick with it. She does TT completely independently, understands and loves math. :001_smile:

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Thanks for posting that! I'm still unsure about whether to continue with McRuffy next year for math (assuming it's finished on time) or switch to TT. On one hand it seems stupid to switch from something that's working, on the other hand I need my oldest to be more independent. This adds to my mental conversation with myself about what to use.

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Thank you for this!! I have a very non-mathy oldest son. Math is a subject we really butt heads in. I don't want that to damage our relationship. He tried the online samples of TT, and it seems like it will be perfect for him. He can have an endlessly patient tutor to explain things again and again and he won't be able to argue. :) And he only has to face one problem at a time! I think it will be perfect for my second son, but a year ahead. He loves to do things independently and on the computer. I would much rather use our one-on-one time for writing and history/literature!

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We started using TT last year. This year my daughter's highest standardized test scores were in math. She does not like math at all but she is 2 years above grade level now and I believe it's because of TT. That has never been the case before.

 

My youngest son really likes math so instead of starting him with TT3 for third grade we started with level 4. He is also doing well and his highest scores were in math.

 

I am a firm believer in TT now!

 

Blessings,

Elise in NC

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Glad you all found this post helpful. I hope others, do, too. I hate to see people being deterred from a program that would really suit their family because they got scared off by negative hype about it not being good enough. It's good enough for us!

 

We started using TT last year. This year my daughter's highest standardized test scores were in math. She does not like math at all but she is 2 years above grade level now and I believe it's because of TT. That has never been the case before.

 

My youngest son really likes math so instead of starting him with TT3 for third grade we started with level 4. He is also doing well and his highest scores were in math.

 

I am a firm believer in TT now!

 

Blessings,

Elise in NC

 

Thanks for sharing your experience, too! :) Maybe a few others will chime in yet. As for me, I'll be trolling the WTB and FS boards soon looking for TT6 which we will definitely be moving on to -worry free!- in the fall. :)

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Thanks for posting this! We use TT3 (6yo), TT4 (newly-minted 9yo), and TT5 (12yo) in this house.

 

My 12yo started TT5 in the fall of '09. He just wasn't ready for it because he is so not a math person even though he was 5th grade. We just pulled it back out a few weeks ago and restarted it and it's a great fit.

 

As you can see, we are all over the map with how we use this program in terms of ability, and it's working for all of them.

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We love Teaching Textbooks here too.

 

Ds16 did TT Alg1, TT Alg2, and TT Geo. He took Integrated pre-calc in 10th grade at a public school and hated it. At 16yo he tested firmly into college Calculus. He used to show kids in his calculus class how to do basic algebra, because the way the ps taught it was ridiculous.

 

He is a mathy kid, and the program worked for him too. He just went at a faster pace than non-mathy kids would.

 

He excelled at all of his assesment tests, and understands how to use math out side of the text book.

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My 4th grader is using TT5 and my 1st grader is using TT3 because I have a new baby and just can't seem to manage RightStart anymore. I was feeling guilty about that but your post made me feel better. I will wait awhile and see how they do, thanks! Now I just need to find a math program for my 3rd grade dd.

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Thank you for posting this. I've been looking for something for my older two. My oldest is a mathy person but hates Saxon (what her school is using now) and my 11yr old is not math , never has been most likely never will be.

 

I may go ahead and give this a try and see if either one of them respond to it.

 

Why was it that people were saying its behind in the first place?

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Thank you, Nance, for posting this. I guess there are many of us worried about the 'behindness' of TT. I wonder if that might be because people are comparing it to advanced programs like CLE and R&S? I think it looks right on par with other programs like MUS and Horizons.

 

I have looked at it for years for my older two. One struggles, the other zooms. Currently we are using CLE but more and more my oldest isn't getting it. The poor child is 14 and in 500 level math having to redo almost all of every lesson every day. Is there a lot of review of concepts?

 

(Oh and I am back to OM 1 for my younger set. I am so excited! See you at yuku!)

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We started using TT last year. This year my daughter's highest standardized test scores were in math. She does not like math at all but she is 2 years above grade level now and I believe it's because of TT. That has never been the case before....

 

Blessings,

Elise in NC

 

I could have written this myself. It's exactly the same at our house! And I love it that we have a teacher built in to the program because although I am a great teacher of a number of subjects, I am not a good math teacher. TT was a real godsend for us! It has been a win/win situation.

 

Blessings,

Lucinda

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:hurray: Yay for her! Indy really enjoys TT and I have never found it "behind." In fact, we're using TT3 (Indy is 3rd grade) and he's now doing long multiplication. His 3rd grade friends in ps are nowhere NEAR long multiplication with only 2 months of school to go. He's not great at it yet, but he's doing it and more importantly, understanding and enjoying it. We will continue with TT next year and probably as long as we hs and find that it's working. I love that he can do it independently and that the problems all have explanations if he needs them.

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Why was it that people were saying its behind in the first place?

 

I don't know, but the post I quoted just below this from training5 may have something to do with it!

 

Thank you, Nance, for posting this. I guess there are many of us worried about the 'behindness' of TT. I wonder if that might be because people are comparing it to advanced programs like CLE and R&S? I think it looks right on par with other programs like MUS and Horizons.

 

I have looked at it for years for my older two. One struggles, the other zooms. Currently we are using CLE but more and more my oldest isn't getting it. The poor child is 14 and in 500 level math having to redo almost all of every lesson every day. Is there a lot of review of concepts?

 

(Oh and I am back to OM 1 for my younger set. I am so excited! See you at yuku!)

 

There is a decent amount of review with TT- every lesson they introduce something new, and the lecture and some of the practice problems and a few of the lesson problems will cover it, the rest of the lesson problems will be things already introduced in previous lessons- so there's always review, and there's always building on each lesson with new material, introduced in such a way that they just get it. And then get to continue to practice it on an ongoing basis. But not with a ridiculous number of problems (I think Saxon had like 100 problems when I was looking at it, my jaw dropped! TT is more like 22 problems a lesson, plus 5 practice problems). I think it's perfect the way TT does it. :)

 

That's great that you're back to Oak Meadow!! I have to say, if I go by this year's standardized test results, Alexa didn't do as well on science and social studies (still somewhat above average, though), and I think it was just because some of the questions they asked weren't yet covered by where we are/what we are currently studying in OM. But she did PHENOMENAL in the language arts portion of things! OM has a decent amount of literature and writing in the later elementary school age, as you know, and it seems to be doing its job very well! I know part of it is just a natural bent for language arts but I just mean she's not at all falling behind by any means after a couple of years of using OM, she's doing fantastic with it. Even though it starts out so much "slower paced" and gentle in its earliest years, it really does "catch up" more to grade level- all without ever having to be boring and textbookish at any level- so don't be afraid to trust OM, either. :)

 

I could have written this myself. It's exactly the same at our house! And I love it that we have a teacher built in to the program because although I am a great teacher of a number of subjects, I am not a good math teacher. TT was a real godsend for us! It has been a win/win situation.

 

Blessings,

Lucinda

 

Yes!!! I am so not mathy, and I am not at ALL a good math teacher. I get confused and frustrated when trying to figure out typical textbook (as in A textbook, not "TT" lol) math, and I KNOW that it shows when I try to teach it. I barely get it, therefore I can't help her get it, and we both end up miserable. This is just the perfect solution. The "teacher" on TT is endlessly patient and encouraging, explains very well whatever it is he's teaching, and can show AND tell step by step how to do a problem in a way that just clicks so much better than trying to decipher a few lines of mathematical text in a real textbook. I can monitor to make sure things are continuing to go well, but can take mainly a hands off approach to "teaching" math since the program does its job so well on its own lol. WAY less stress for me (and by default for her), frees me up to do other things... so, yeah, it was a godsend for us, too! :)

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I am another TT fan. DS is using TT6 and DD is using Alg 1. They both are doing very well with it and my DD is doing Alg 1 totally independently. A good thing 'cause I dont know if I would be much help. She is avg. 88 on her tests and really seems to be grasping all the concepts. Some may say it is behind but my kids are learning and retaining. And that is all a plus as far as I am concerned.

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My DS used TT 5 last year and is just finishing up TT6 this year. We haven't done testing for a few yrs but I just ordered my CAT/5 yesterday for us to do in May so I'm hoping for the same good results. He enjoys it and I rarely get complaints about doing math now.

 

My DD is using MCP C right now (3rd gr) and I plan on having her move to TT4 next year because we've been so happy with TT for my older one.

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I know a lot of people here worry that TT is "below grade level" or "not good enough" or what have you- but we LOVE Teaching Textbooks over here, and here's why:

 

1. My daughter is ENJOYING Teaching Textbooks

2. She is UNDERSTANDING Teaching Textbooks

3. She is GAINING CONFIDENCE from Teaching Textbooks and no longer says anything like "I'm not good at math" or "math is too hard" (although once in a blue moon she does still say "math gives me a headache" haha).

4. She can do it pretty independently

5. It's not overly time-consuming (about 30 minutes per lesson, 4-5X a week)

I feel the same way as this. My daughter will probably never take calculus in high school and that's okay. I just want her to be good at the level she's at and if that's what TT does, then so be it.

 

FWIW, I'm still trying to decide between TT and another math program that some say is "behind"--MUS. Doesn't matter to me if it's behind as long as my daughter understands math. :)

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Thanks for posting this. It is so encouraging to hear positive things about TT. We switched my oldest DD last year & it saved our school year. She is currently using TT5 along with a few subject specific supplements (Fractions, Decimals) from MM. I was seriously in a tizzy a couple of weeks ago after getting on the boards & reading so many negative things about TT being behind. I seriously about scrapped it all & went with another program, just for the sake of using a program not deemed "behind". How silly of me. My husband talked me off the ledge! HA! :willy_nilly: He is Mr. Mathy, Civil Engineer & looked everything over & said that he didn't see any problems, to just finish the year out & then re-evaluate. In the mean time, I gave my daughter the CLE Math placement test & she placed right on grade level target. So that helped me to feel that we are not so far off the mark.

 

I guess it's just a lesson learned that you have to find what works for you & your family & not let public opinion sway you too much.

 

Thanks again for sharing!

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Even though I already feel confident about TT and happy with it, it's still good for ME to hear those of you with kids even older than mine posting things like Darla just did about how well TT served them even in high school. :) So thanks to you guys, too, for posting things like that! :)

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Thank you, Nance, great review. I had (mostly) decided to go TT for next year (7th grade), but was still slightly worried. It seemed perfect for my kid, but I didn't want her to be behind.

 

I feel much better now! She is in OM as well, and while OM math was "ok", I thought that for starting pre-Algebra she would need a little more instruction - instruction I don't always have time to give! Also, OM is so writing/book heavy, I like the idea of breaking things up with the CDs. It seems like a good combo!

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Thank you, Nance, great review. I had (mostly) decided to go TT for next year (7th grade), but was still slightly worried. It seemed perfect for my kid, but I didn't want her to be behind.

 

I feel much better now! She is in OM as well, and while OM math was "ok", I thought that for starting pre-Algebra she would need a little more instruction - instruction I don't always have time to give! Also, OM is so writing/book heavy, I like the idea of breaking things up with the CDs. It seems like a good combo!

 

Yes, I agree! We've been doing lots of reading and writing this year for OM (which must be working, she scored great on Language Arts, even more so than math btw!) and they're always interesting assignments and choices but this fun and animated CD for math is a nice way to break up the day and do something "different" like you said. It definitely seems to be a good combo for us, and then we get to round it all out with OM's fun hands-on kinda projects and handicrafts... it's been a really great year for us, we've really been enjoying it overall. I'm looking forward to OM6/TT6 next year! :)

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My 4th grader is using TT5 and my 1st grader is using TT3 because I have a new baby and just can't seem to manage RightStart anymore. I was feeling guilty about that but your post made me feel better. I will wait awhile and see how they do, thanks! Now I just need to find a math program for my 3rd grade dd.

 

My non-mathy 4th grader will be using TT4, and my mathy 2nd grader will use TT3. I have a new baby, too, and RS math was not possible this year. The boys have done the samples online and LOVE it. I am beyond thrilled that they are going to be able to do this independently, but still have a great deal of instruction rather than just workbooks.

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I am so happy to have found this thread! I haven't like MUS, and bought Saxon since it worked for 1st, but I haven't felt any excitement about teaching it or starting with Saxon 3. I have looked hard at TT after seeing it at convention, but was persuaded away by some reports that it was behind, and even read that it was worse then "a mediocre public school". After reading about your experiences and test scores I am going back to my original gut feeling and getting TT3 for next year. My son is excited about the idea of doing math on the computer, and I think not facing a page full of problems every day all at one time will really help.

 

For those of you that use TT, do you have your kids use the workbooks, only do the problems on the computer, or copy the equations on to paper and then do them? I am trying to decide on which package to purchase. Thanks in advance

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I am so happy to have found this thread! I haven't like MUS, and bought Saxon since it worked for 1st, but I haven't felt any excitement about teaching it or starting with Saxon 3. I have looked hard at TT after seeing it at convention, but was persuaded away by some reports that it was behind, and even read that it was worse then "a mediocre public school". After reading about your experiences and test scores I am going back to my original gut feeling and getting TT3 for next year. My son is excited about the idea of doing math on the computer, and I think not facing a page full of problems every day all at one time will really help.

 

For those of you that use TT, do you have your kids use the workbooks, only do the problems on the computer, or copy the equations on to paper and then do them? I am trying to decide on which package to purchase. Thanks in advance

 

What I do is have my daughter read the (brief) lesson in the book first, to me. Then she goes and watches the lecture. Then she does the five practice problems at the computer using scratch paper. Then she does the actual lesson problems- she does these on paper one at a time (because I don't want her to write in the book, but I do like HAVING the book so I can see it at a glance), and then she checks each answer on the computer as she goes. This will allow her to get immediate feedback as to whether she got a problem right or wrong.

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My ds, 10 yrs and in fourth grade is doing TT5. This is a kid that I don't consider "mathy" at all, just average. He used to HATE math (we were using Singapore Math) until we started TT5 about two months into the school year. Now he has *no issues* with doing his work. He usually scores in the 95% range or higher. He's getting it and seems to be retaining it. I will be curious as to how he scores on the CAT. We'll be taking it soon.

 

That being said, my ds8, second grade, tried the first few of lessons of TT5 (too advanced for him, but I wanted him to get the feel for it) over the last couple of days. Yesterday, he asked to do TWO lessons lol. This is the kid who I have to threaten to get him to do his MUS usually! He wants me to order TT3 for him ASAP lol. He hasn't taken the placement test, but I *know* that TT4 would be too advanced and he'd get frustrated...he hasn't even start multiplication yet.

 

So, anyway...TT is working for us. The only thing that I hesitant on is the COST...whew, it's spendy!

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Hurrah! Congratulations, btw.

 

I've been anti-TT since the beginning... And in sheer desperation switched this year for DD's Algebra. A few weeks later we switched DS.

 

It's been a few months now. I'm won over too.

 

And we won't go into the fact that it saves me an hour and a half teaching plus going over what she did wrong, then reteaching the oldest DD. And then another 40 minutes on CJ's math - teaching the lesson, correcting, then teaching what he might have missed. I figure it saves me a MINIMUM of two hours a day. And frankly, it was two hours I didn't have.

 

I'm a fan.

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My 8yr. old is using TT3. He just started, completed his first quiz today;).

With him, I sometimes sit with him and complete a lesson. I like showing him the tens and ones using our base ten set. Other times I'll have him only enter the answers using the computer. There are some lessons I would like to teach too :D

 

My 9.5yr. old is using TT5 and so far he has only used the computer but as he gets farther along, I do believe he'll need to use his workbook to work out problems.

 

My 12yr. old is using TT6 but only the workbook. He didn't care for the dvds.

 

We started using TT at about the same time I saw this thread and its been a real encouragement:001_smile:

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