Is Veritas Press' booklist for Omnibus III too difficult for youngers?
Posted 20 March 2011 - 04:18 PM
ETA:I am not planning on using Omnibus III, just the books.
Posted 22 March 2011 - 02:20 PM
Also a 11 turning 12 partway through the year.
Both are working a lot on the same level. I would not consider it with my other children at 11, just this one child.
Posted 22 March 2011 - 04:33 PM
If you don't like TOG, then MFW. In fact, given everything you've said, I think you might like to look at doing the MFW high school sequence straight. It fits your oldest and would be a challenge for your 11 yo.
The books used by Omnibus will all be at your library. I would just start pre-reading them for yourself. At that point your gut will tell you what mix you want for your two dc. See you might realize you want *some* of the books Omnibus uses (which MFW would also use) but more history or more lighter fiction, a blend. You might realize only a small number of the books fit your dc. Pilgrim's Progress will fit just about anyone, but "The Killer Angels"? (It's about the battle of Gettysburg.) I've been reading through books myself, trying to prep, and I have a nice mix brewing of GB plus biographies plus girl-specific books (cookbook of General Lee, books on CW garments, tenement recipes, etc.), Marrin and other topical books, etc. TOG would get you a *whole* lot closer to a generally pleasant mix. So it's not so much about what they'd be doing as what they'd be MISSING.
I'm being too opinionated here. If a dc is very, very advanced at 11 or 12, they also have opinions about what they're interested in, what slant the materials should take, etc. It's nice to run with that. My dd asked to do just modern american history (1850 to present) so we could go more in-depth. So we're going to save all the stuff from the first half of our spine and first half of Omnibus iii to use for a nice gov't/constitution course later.
BTW, Janice had tossed out the suggestion of alternating hard and easy books, another thing you have the luxury to do when you flex the schedule.
Posted 22 March 2011 - 04:37 PM
Posted 07 April 2011 - 08:44 PM
Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:48 AM
So anyways, similar position, and that's what I decided to do. I have no clue how that pans out for you. You could use BJU8 as the spine with both but have the older do O3 readings and the younger do a list you create. If you do that, I would look at the TOG3/4 recommendations for dialectic level and see where they get you. Basically once you find a few good authors on her level (Albert Marrin, Russell Freedman, Susan Campbell Bartolleti, Jim Murphy, etc.), then you just go through and look at them to see what fits. The books by these authors are not all at the same level, so some of the Marrins are a great fit for us right now, and some are too much of a stretch. Freedman's work is a bit lower, so it's usually more like it either fits or is too young. Bartoletti (whose name I clearly can't spell, lol) is right on, and my dd enjoys everything she has looked at by her. Jim Murphy's stuff tends to be a bit boyish, but some is good.
It really wasn't as hard to do all that as it sounds. I just made a chart, put in the readings by week, then merged cells in the lit column to show where a book from Omnibus would be covered over 3 weeks and left the cells single to show where one of these other books would only be over 1. Sometimes also it's nice to pair books. For instance Albert Marrin has a book "Plains Warrior" that goes really well with "Where the Broken Heart Still Beats" (an easier fiction book about the white mother of the indian featured in the Marrin book). That's the first off the top of my head, but you'll find quite a few like that as you put things into the chart by week. You basically end up with a non-fiction book on the Dust Bowl or Depression or child labor or whatever and then can find a good fiction book to go with it. Makes the topic really pop! BJU is kind of straightforward, but dd seems to be liking it so far, doing it this way. And this way the material we're reading is very age-appropriate. I think there's something especially good about reading material that is age-appropriate. These books are SO COMPELLING. Bartoletti has a book on Hitler's Youth that I spent a whole night reading. You just stinkin' can't get more compelling than that for this age. Our bright ones don't need to read stuff too old for them when there's this middle ground of work that will grip their soul.
If you get really desperate or are confused by this, I'll try to post or send you my list. I've worked a ton on it, I confess, but it might help you. It's nothing brilliant. It actually isnt' quite complete, because I was waiting for all my library request books to trickle in. I usually buy, but in this case I wanted to preview everything to check level and whether we'd actually read it. So I basically went through ALL the Marrins, Freedmans, etc. the library had, hehe. What a nut.
Posted 08 April 2011 - 10:10 AM
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:24 PM
Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:15 PM
Our bright ones don't need to read stuff too old for them when there's this middle ground of work that will grip their soul.
Wow, thank you for this! I don't necessarily have 'bright ones', but this statement can apply to any child.
Posted 09 April 2011 - 08:06 PM
I'm not sure I understand. Omnibus without the Omnibus book is just a list of books. What are you trying to accomplish?
Hmmm...I don't know the answer. I do like Omnibus and might use it for a reference for me, but not for them. I am not sure about the time commitment right now. I am thinking about WTM methods with the VP booklist. Not the whole list just some. I am very seriously considering putting my oldest dd on a 5 year high school track.