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In case anyone is interested how one trains to be a Knight:001_smile: I'll take them down after a couple of days. He looks like he isn't having any fun but he really is, that's just his "concentration" face.

 

Spearing deadly Nerf balls. These things cause a lot of trouble if not shown who's boss on a regular basis;)

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Spearing a wild boar simulaid. Cute but not very tasty:tongue_smilie:

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Hitting the jousting target.

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The target spinning after being hit to show how small the target is. I don't have any idea how he can hit it!

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How fun! Where does one do this? Is it a one-time only type of thing? My boys would love to do this the next time we're in the states.

 

Where in the US will you be? This is in Southern California. It's held once/month but you don't have to go every month. My ds goes every month (sometimes he rides, sometimes he's on foot) but you could go once a year or less.

 

That looks fun! Is this with the SCA?

What is SCA?

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I must say, he's managing that horse & spear really well. The horse my dd rides would FREAK OUT at all that stuff.

These horses are used to fully armoured knights jousting on them so a little spear doesn't bother them. Though if I was riding them with a spear they might be:lol:

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Where in the US will you be? This is in Southern California. It's held once/month but you don't have to go every month. My ds goes every month (sometimes he rides, sometimes he's on foot) but you could go once a year or less.

 

We'll be coming to SoCal which is why I asked. That's where my family is. Is there a website? Not sure when we'll be back, not this summer, maybe next. I'd love to sign them up for this.

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We'll be coming to SoCal which is why I asked. That's where my family is. Is there a website? Not sure when we'll be back, not this summer, maybe next. I'd love to sign them up for this.

 

Cool! Here is the website

http://www.knightschool.us/

 

Yesterday someone stopped to see what was going on (cars often stop, LOL) and she turned out to be a local reporter and wrote an article. If you look at the video I'm the one in the striped shirt on foot. It's a good think it was taken from far away, it makes me look thinner, LOL.

http://ramona.patch.com/articles/practice-makes-perfect-jousters-prepare-for-october-tournament

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Cool! Here is the website

http://www.knightschool.us/

 

Yesterday someone stopped to see what was going on (cars often stop, LOL) and she turned out to be a local reporter and wrote an article. If you look at the video I'm the one in the striped shirt on foot. It's a good think it was taken from far away, it makes me look thinner, LOL.

http://ramona.patch.com/articles/practice-makes-perfect-jousters-prepare-for-october-tournament

 

 

Thanks I even know where Ramona is.:D

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What is SCA?

 

SCA stands for Society for Creative Anachronism. A very silly name for a Society for Recreating Medieval-type Stuff. A world wide organisation, so a good hobby if you move house often...

 

There are re-enactment groups all around, to suit all tastes, but the SCA is the largest.

 

 

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Rosie

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SCA stands for Society for Creative Anachronism. A very silly name for a Society for Recreating Medieval-type Stuff. A world wide organisation, so a good hobby if you move house often...

 

There are re-enactment groups all around, to suit all tastes, but the SCA is the largest.

 

 

:)

Rosie

They aren't a re-enactment group. The joust they host is an actual sporting even that is part of the IJL (International Jousting League). They don't hold many jousts in the US. Mostly they are in Europe, Australia and NZ.

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They aren't a re-enactment group. The joust they host is an actual sporting even that is part of the IJL (International Jousting League). They don't hold many jousts in the US. Mostly they are in Europe, Australia and NZ.

 

It doesn't look like they hold many here either, lol. Europe is the place to be. All those castles make wonderful backdrops and atmosphere...

 

 

Rosie

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It doesn't look like they hold many here either, lol.

 

 

Rosie

Do you not live in the US? I know they have a few in Canada (if that is where you are). One of last year's competitors was from Quebec.

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Do you not live in the US? I know they have a few in Canada (if that is where you are). One of last year's competitors was from Quebec.

 

 

No I don't :D

http://www.lyricsdomain.com/13/men_at_work/land_down_under.html

 

:lol:

Rosie

 

 

I checked the site and there's a group in Brisbane. That's a very long way away from Melbourne. ;) The SCA here is trying to get equestrian stuff going, but have had problems with insurance. Maybe that's hampered the spread of your mob too. If so, it's a shame...

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No I don't :D

http://www.lyricsdomain.com/13/men_at_work/land_down_under.html

 

:lol:

Rosie

 

 

I checked the site and there's a group in Brisbane. That's a very long way away from Melbourne. ;) The SCA here is trying to get equestrian stuff going, but have had problems with insurance. Maybe that's hampered the spread of your mob too. If so, it's a shame...

LOL, I had no idea! I know there are at least a few in Australia but not as many as in Europe. Still, I'll be there are plenty in Europe that don't know about them as they are more obscure compared to other sports and most people tent to associate jousting with re-enacting so even if they've heard of an event they may still think it's a re-enactment.

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SCA stands for Society for Creative Anachronism. A very silly name for a Society for Recreating Medieval-type Stuff. A world wide organisation, so a good hobby if you move house often...

 

There are re-enactment groups all around, to suit all tastes, but the SCA is the largest.

 

 

:)

Rosie

 

THANK YOU for posting that link!!! My ds has wanted to learn to sword fight for ages. Fencing does not appeal to him at all. :confused::tongue_smilie:

 

I followed your link and we have an extremely active chpt locally! Ds is going to make contact with them.

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LOL, I had no idea! I know there are at least a few in Australia but not as many as in Europe. Still, I'll be there are plenty in Europe that don't know about them as they are more obscure compared to other sports and most people tent to associate jousting with re-enacting so even if they've heard of an event they may still think it's a re-enactment.

 

I think we have different definitions for the word re-enactment.

 

:)

Rosie

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I think we have different definitions for the word re-enactment.

 

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Rosie

No we don't. Jousting can be re-enacting (most jousting is re-enacting) but there is also a CURRENT sport of jousting. They aren't jousting to re-enact, they are jousting as a sport with a league (just like the NFL, only much smaller and international). Nothing is rehearsed and the competitors receive points for all the events, they have standings, rankings, etc (I don't know much of the sports lingo, sorry). They aren't re-enacting an old sport, they are professional athletes representing their home countries participating in an old sport that has be resurrected. Does that make sense?

 

Re-enactors go through the motions but aren't actually competing and aren't part of a sports league.

 

I'm not putting down re-enactors. My other ds is a Civil War re-enactor. They aren't actually fighting, the sides take turns winning, etc. One isn't better than the other but they are very different.

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No we don't. Jousting can be re-enacting (most jousting is re-enacting) but there is also a CURRENT sport of jousting. They aren't jousting to re-enact, they are jousting as a sport with a league (just like the NFL, only much smaller and international). Nothing is rehearsed and the competitors receive points for all the events, they have standings, rankings, etc (I don't know much of the sports lingo, sorry). They aren't re-enacting an old sport, they are professional athletes representing their home countries participating in an old sport that has be resurrected. Does that make sense? Re-enactors go through the motions but aren't actually competing and aren't part of a sports league.

 

 

It makes perfect sense, and we do have different ideas on what the term re-enactment means. Not all re-enactors are going through the motions and not actually competing. Re-enactors for the Battle of Wealreadyknowwhowon are, of course, but in organisations like the SCA and NVG, that isn't the case.

 

Not that it matters, because the point of all this is to be enjoying ourselves and we're all doing that despite our differences in the use of lexical items. ;)

 

:)

Rosie

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It makes perfect sense, and we do have different ideas on what the term re-enactment means. Not all re-enactors are going through the motions and not actually competing. Re-enactors for the Battle of Wealreadyknowwhowon are, of course, but in organisations like the SCA and NVG, that isn't the case.

 

Not that it matters, because the point of all this is to be enjoying ourselves and we're all doing that despite our differences in the use of lexical items. ;)

 

:)

Rosie

But, are they professional athletes that are part of a professional sporting league (like the NFL, etc)? I'm not being snarky, I'm sincerely asking:001_smile:

 

ETA that I agree that what matters is that are enjoying themselves:001_smile: I don't consider either of my ds's activities of lesser value than the other at all! I'm just explaining because most people don't have any idea that jousting is currently a professional sport with an international league.

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But, are they professional athletes that are part of a professional sporting league (like the NFL, etc)? I'm not being snarky, I'm sincerely asking:001_smile:

 

Nup. But I don't really know what professional means in sport. I thought it meant you got to stop paying to practice your hobby and someone started paying you to do it. If you aren't getting paid, what good is "professional" anyway? I'm not being snarky either. There must be more to it than saying "yeah, we're professional."

 

The SCA is a world wide organisation, so the rules of biffing is pretty much the same everywhere. There are a few affiliated groups as far as the legalities are concerned, I think North America is one, Australia and New Zealand are another, and there are a couple in Europe. So different places might have different rules about armour or age restrictions because they depend on mundane laws. But the basic game is the same and when our fighters can afford to go to the US or Europe, they are happy little Vegemites :D

 

To me, what you are doing is re-enactment, it's re-enacting an old sport. We are re-enacting an old ideal, I suppose you might say. The most important difference is probably that what we do isn't for show to anyone outside our organisation, other than the occasional demo. We don't have an audience. If you are there, you are a participant. So there wouldn't be any reason to be professional (whatever that means.) It would break the game, iykwim?

 

Shame Brisbane is so far away. I'd like to see jousting! We have some equestrian demos, but haven't been able to get jousting going yet. I'm not sure how much of that is about insurance (legalities spoil all the fun :glare:;)) or if it's just that the only ones around here who have horses are girls and they don't want to joust! I think they have done a few demos of horseback archery, but I haven't seen yet. We have a horse friendly camping event coming up in a few weeks, so maybe I'll be lucky.

 

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Rosie

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Nup. But I don't really know what professional means in sport. I thought it meant you got to stop paying to practice your hobby and someone started paying you to do it. If you aren't getting paid, what good is "professional" anyway? I'm not being snarky either. There must be more to it than saying "yeah, we're professional."

 

The SCA is a world wide organisation, so the rules of biffing is pretty much the same everywhere. There are a few affiliated groups as far as the legalities are concerned, I think North America is one, Australia and New Zealand are another, and there are a couple in Europe. So different places might have different rules about armour or age restrictions because they depend on mundane laws. But the basic game is the same and when our fighters can afford to go to the US or Europe, they are happy little Vegemites :D

 

To me, what you are doing is re-enactment, it's re-enacting an old sport. We are re-enacting an old ideal, I suppose you might say. The most important difference is probably that what we do isn't for show to anyone outside our organisation, other than the occasional demo. We don't have an audience. If you are there, you are a participant. So there wouldn't be any reason to be professional (whatever that means.) It would break the game, iykwim?

 

Shame Brisbane is so far away. I'd like to see jousting! We have some equestrian demos, but haven't been able to get jousting going yet. I'm not sure how much of that is about insurance (legalities spoil all the fun :glare:;)) or if it's just that the only ones around here who have horses are girls and they don't want to joust! I think they have done a few demos of horseback archery, but I haven't seen yet. We have a horse friendly camping event coming up in a few weeks, so maybe I'll be lucky.

 

:)

Rosie

Would you consider any sport whose origin goes back centuries as re-enacting? Would a professional archery tournament be a re-enactment? What makes our professional sports a sport instead of a re-enactment?

 

ETA that I think one difference would be that the IJL tournaments are sporting events. There is an audience, tickets are sold, etc.

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Would you consider any sport whose origin goes back centuries as re-enacting? Would a professional archery tournament be a re-enactment? What makes our professional sports a sport instead of a re-enactment?

 

ETA that I think one difference would be that the IJL tournaments are sporting events. There is an audience, tickets are sold, etc.

 

I don't know much sports history. What sports are being played now as they were centuries ago without any major changes? I don't consider professional archery tournaments to be re-enactments because they are using modern bows. That's different to using a medieval longbow. Olympic fencing may have grown out of Renaissance rapier fighting, but they are not even close to the same thing and aren't trying to be, so Olympic fencing sure isn't re-enactment. I don't see why something can't be re-enactment AND a sporting event. If your guys are selling tickets and all that, it sounds like it is both of those things to me. I won't think jousting is re-enactment any more when they start riding robot horses :D

 

But I still don't really understand what makes some people professional and while others doing the same thing aren't, unless it is about getting paid.

 

Rosie

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I don't know much sports history. What sports are being played now as they were centuries ago without any major changes? I don't consider professional archery tournaments to be re-enactments because they are using modern bows. That's different to using a medieval longbow. Olympic fencing may have grown out of Renaissance rapier fighting, but they are not even close to the same thing and aren't trying to be, so Olympic fencing sure isn't re-enactment. I don't see why something can't be re-enactment AND a sporting event. If your guys are selling tickets and all that, it sounds like it is both of those things to me. I won't think jousting is re-enactment any more when they start riding robot horses :D

 

But I still don't really understand what makes some people professional and while others doing the same thing aren't, unless it is about getting paid.

 

Rosie

:lol::lol: That would be quite a sight!

 

I'm not interested in sports enough to know all the differences between amateur and professional but I do think one of them is getting paid.

 

I would consider it a resurrected sport. Nothing has changed because it has been resurrected and hasn't been around (in modern times) for long enough to change much. I also don't think change would be necessary in order for it to be a "modern" sport.

 

I think many of the Olympic sports remain unchanged. Well, except for the fact that now they are preformed wearing clothing, at least for now:lol:

 

Thank you for such a thought provoking conversation:001_smile: Well, not in a philosophical sense but it's really made me think!

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I would consider it a resurrected sport. Nothing has changed because it has been resurrected and hasn't been around (in modern times) for long enough to change much. I also don't think change would be necessary in order for it to be a "modern" sport.

 

Like I said, I think it's both. I know people have been resurrecting jousting on and off ever since the middle ages. It is cool, after all :D It's an interesting thought, though. How could jousting be modernised to the point where it is no longer re-enactment in stubborn person's opinions, like the change from rapier to Olympic fencing? Not that I know why anyone would want to. Compare that scene from Princess Bride with modern fencing. I know the movie scene was choreographed, but that aside, there is no comparison. It was WAY cooler than Olympic fencing, which is still a perfectly good way to exercise, and far cooler than football. (Oh yes, controversial :D)

 

They are still using medieval tools/weapons, yes? Are there ways to computerise the scoring, etc? I think the fact that you need the horse, and you can't do much to change them, protects it from much development. Hmm. Fun thought experiment...

 

I think many of the Olympic sports remain unchanged. Well, except for the fact that now they are preformed wearing clothing, at least for now:lol:

 

A great improvement :001_huh:

 

:)

Rosie

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Like I said, I think it's both. I know people have been resurrecting jousting on and off ever since the middle ages. It is cool, after all :D It's an interesting thought, though. How could jousting be modernised to the point where it is no longer re-enactment in stubborn person's opinions, like the change from rapier to Olympic fencing? Not that I know why anyone would want to. Compare that scene from Princess Bride with modern fencing. I know the movie scene was choreographed, but that aside, there is no comparison. It was WAY cooler than Olympic fencing, which is still a perfectly good way to exercise, and far cooler than football. (Oh yes, controversial :D)

 

They are still using medieval tools/weapons, yes? Are there ways to computerise the scoring, etc? I think the fact that you need the horse, and you can't do much to change them, protects it from much development. Hmm. Fun thought experiment...

 

 

 

A great improvement :001_huh:

 

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Rosie

I'm now thinking you were right in the first place, we do use the word "re-enactment" slightly differently. Kind of like Aussies call "nursing a baby" holding a baby but in the US "nursing the baby" means breast feeding a baby. A little different:lol:

 

If someone is actually competing than I wouldn't call it a re-enactment regardless of when the sport originated or how modern it was. If people were fencing in the style used in the Princess Bride I wouldn't consider it a re-enactment if they were actually competing. From what you have described I would consider your fellows participating in a sport and our fellows participating in a profession sport. Here re-enactors generally perform at Renaissance Fairs and aren't actually competing.

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That is so very cool! wow! What a great experience for your son. Thanks for sharing your photos. :) BTW, I love the kitty in your avatar. :) Too cute.

Thanks, that's my kitty Dandelion; he's my snuggler:001_smile:

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