ElaineJ Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Would it be a waste of time to do both of them? I'm trying to decide on my logic sequence for the next few years. Thanks for your input! ElaineJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cindyg Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I'm wondering the very same thing. It must be that not many of us have used Art of Argument yet. CAP has a 20% off sale right now, and I'm probably going to go ahead and order, but I wish someone would comment first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kates Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 There's overlap in the actual material - i.e., they both present the same fallacies - but they're presented in completely different ways. I'm using Fallacy Detective to introduce the fallacies and give my son a bit of experience in working with them, after which we'll go through them indepth with the CAP materials. FD is very conversational and light - it's written by teenage boys - while the CAP materials go much more in-depth. Both are great, just different approaches. Hope that helps :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindyg Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 That was helpful. Thanks, Kates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I picked up Fallacy Detective inexpensively used and was ho-hum about it. Like Kates says, it's an adequate introduction. Art of Argument was what I saw at the convention and loved. I didn't buy because the new edition was coming out (this was last spring). I keep forgetting about the CAP sale. Is there another place to buy it with free shipping, or do I need to bite the bullet and buy from them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Fallacy Detectives also contains a great deal of material a parent might find objectionable for children including abortion politics and a free admixture of the authors' own theological and ideological positions inserted into the text. My copy went into the trash. Rubbish. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan in Mass Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 (edited) I was one of the only books I have preread and filtered. I went through the book crossing out any questionable passages and excersizes, then we did it orally with me holding the book and reading it aloud. Fortuantely, the issues were so obvious (abortion, spanking, etc.) and repetative that it was easy for me to quickly skim the text and pick them out. My children were old enough to have discussed abortion with us, but I didn't want those things being used as examples in their schoolwork. (Just in case somebody wants to use this book.) My children found it fun. It was an easy introduction to fallacies. They had met them informally, but it was nice to have them all bunched together. Nan Edited December 1, 2010 by Nan in Mass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad Shot Academy Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 My son did FD and is 1/2 way through AoA. I asked him and he said that so far it covers the same thing, but AoA is on a higher level and he is glad that he did FD before it. Make sure you get the newest version of AoA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Quad-Are you doing all the writing in AoA or just doing it orally? I was looking at it last night, trying to decide if it was appropriate for us now or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad Shot Academy Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Quad-Are you doing all the writing in AoA or just doing it orally? I was looking at it last night, trying to decide if it was appropriate for us now or not... We do the exercises orally and the tests and quizzes written. I have the older version, 98 I think, and don't like the set up of the program, but my son likes it a lot. I heard that they have fixed the problems in the newest version. I have also seen that he has learned so many real life lessons from both books. He can see through most advertising now and had a lot of fun checking the mail with all of the political ads.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Fallacy Detectives also contains ... a free admixture of the authors' own theological and ideological positions inserted into the text. My copy went into the trash. Rubbish. Bill :iagree:But I sold my copy. One man's trash is another mans treasure and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindyg Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Fallacy Detectives also contains a great deal of material a parent might find objectionable for children including abortion politics and a free admixture of the authors' own theological and ideological positions inserted into the text. My copy went into the trash. Rubbish. Bill The newest edition is supposed to have removed all such references. The author posted on one of our threads here with that information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 The newest edition is supposed to have removed all such references. The author posted on one of our threads here with that information. I believe you are confusing the Fallacy Detective with the Art of Arguement from Classical Academic Press (which was revised). Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindyg Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I believe you are confusing the Fallacy Detective with the Art of Arguement from Classical Academic Press (which was revised). Bill I'm sorry, Spy, you are correct. I was thinking of the earlier version of Art of Argument. I don't remember any objectionable content in Fallacy Detective. :confused: Oh well -- as TechWife said, one man's trash is another man's treasure. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I'm sorry, Spy, you are correct. I was thinking of the earlier version of Art of Argument. I don't remember any objectionable content in Fallacy Detective. :confused: Oh well -- as TechWife said, one man's trash is another man's treasure. :) There is (from my perspective) a great deal of objectionable material in Fallacy Detective including (but not limited to) abortion politics. The authors push their own ideological and theological positions quite freely in this work. It is not a straight-forward "informal logic" book, rather it has an agenda and pushes a particular "worldview." The whole book is slanted to that end. In good faith I could not have passed it on. Into the trash it went. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5052 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Art of Argument has more meat and the assignments are better. The Teacher's Guide has quizzes if you want that sort of thing. It is Christian in viewpoint, but less "in-your-face" than Fallacy Detective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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