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#51 Jilly

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:27 PM

I like Secondary Language Lessons. As a subtitle, you can have "for the Well-Trained Mind".


:iagree:I like the sound of Secondary Language Lessons.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:29 PM

Ooooh, I like this one too. First, Further, Final.



I like this!

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:33 PM

I vote First, Further, Final. We love alliteration here! It also avoids the pitfalls of "Intermediate"-my second choice.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:34 PM

Continuing Language Lessons? I like Further Language Lessons. Or something that would suggest it is a definite continuation from FFL.

Edited by lorien, 17 November 2010 - 04:54 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:43 PM

I vote First, Further, Final. We love alliteration here! It also avoids the pitfalls of "Intermediate"-my second choice.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:43 PM

I vote for "Second Language Lessons". It's not too original or exciting, but it is clear and works well as a descriptive and simple title for the next next program in the series.

No pressure, but I have a child on FLL4 this year so work fast.:D



The problem with "Second Language Lessons" is that it begs the question, "Which language?"

Usually, the term "second language" refers a language other than your first language. Again, it would only make sense to those already familiar with FLL.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:44 PM

I agree with Secondary Language Lessons.

I think you need a poll. (we like polls). :D

#58 LaissezFaire

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 04:45 PM

Transitional Language Lessons
Connecting Language Lessons
Secondary Language Lessons
Further Language Lessons


I like all of these.

Edited by LaissezFaire, 17 November 2010 - 04:47 PM.


#59 Jen+4dc

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:05 PM

I vote First, Further, Final. We love alliteration here!


This would be my first vote.

Logical Language Lessons? A play on logic stage and the fact that they are very logical?


This is good too.

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#60 Heidi @ Mt Hope

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:06 PM

Essential Elements of Language
Essential Language Lessons

If there is a third... Advanced.


:iagree:

First Language Lessons
Essential Language Lesssons
Advanced Language Lessons

Looks and sounds great to me!

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:12 PM

Building Skills in English


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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:15 PM

I change my vote.

First Language Lessons
Further Language Lessons
Final Language Lessons
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#63 Sahamamama

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:16 PM

English in the Middle:
Language Lessons for the Middle Grades



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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:18 PM

English in the Middle:

Language Lessons for the Middle Grades


I like this one. I also like Intermediate Language Lessons or First Language Lessons, grades 5-8. However, I don't care what you call it, I'm so glad you're doing it. We love FLL 1/2 and will finish it this year. I wasn't going to go with the next level if I was going to have to quit there, but it looks like we won't have to quit there, so I know what I'm buying come spring!
Thanks!

#65 Sahamamama

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:26 PM

Further Language Lessons

Following Language Lessons

Subsequent Language Lessons

Later Language Lessons

Language Lessons II


After all that thought, I like this: First, Further, Final

I just wanted to add: About two years ago, I was in Home Depot with my (then) four year old and my two year old twins when they all began singing "The Preposition Song" very clearly and sweetly. They sang the whole thing. It was so funny, I didn't stop them. People were :001_huh: and :001_wub:. I was :lol:. This is one of my absolute favorite memories as a mother. Thanks, Jessie, Mike, Susan, and all the team for writing, singing, and producing this resource.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:34 PM

I have to disagree: there is no such thing as final language lessons. There is always more to learn and language is an ever-changing thing. Not in print, perhaps, but nonetheless, you take my point. (Says the linguist. I'm going to choir practice now. :D)

#67 Heidi @ Mt Hope

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:53 PM

I have to disagree: there is no such thing as final language lessons. There is always more to learn and language is an ever-changing thing. Not in print, perhaps, but nonetheless, you take my point. (Says the linguist. I'm going to choir practice now. :D)


That's what I was thinking. It sounds as if there will be nothing left to learn about language. :001_smile:

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:01 PM

That's what I was thinking. It sounds as if there will be nothing left to learn about language. :001_smile:


But see the second definition of "final." I think it would be a valid usage for the "final" installment in a series.

http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/final

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:06 PM

I have to disagree: there is no such thing as final language lessons. There is always more to learn and language is an ever-changing thing.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:10 PM

If its alliteration we're after, how about

First Language Lessons
Further Language Lessons
Finishing Language Lessons


Or

First Language Lessons
Following Language Lessons
Further Language Lessons


Or, change the sentence order for the rhetoric level

First Language Lessons
Further Language Lessons
Language Lessons for Future Learning


Or, change that last one to

Language Lessons for Lifelong Learning

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:35 PM

I have to disagree: there is no such thing as final language lessons. There is always more to learn and language is an ever-changing thing. Not in print, perhaps, but nonetheless, you take my point. (Says the linguist. I'm going to choir practice now. :D)


:iagree:

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:40 PM

I like "Secondary Language Lessons for The Well Trained Mind," Level 5, 6, 7, 8. It shows that it follows the First Language Lessons, but goes to the next stage.

Edited by JenniferB, 17 November 2010 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:41 PM

Guys, I don't think we are helping her narrow it down.

I have to say that I like First, Further, Final though. It flows well.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:46 PM

My vote is for First, Further and Final too.:001_smile:

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 10:44 PM

I like First, Further, Final.
I also like Essential.

I find Second and Secondary potentially confusing.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 10:55 PM

Guys, I don't think we are helping her narrow it down.



You might say. :-)

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 10:59 PM

Advanced Language Lessons, Book 1

Advanced Language Lessons, Book 2, etc.

That keeps the flow and branding from First Language Lessons, and "Advanced" has a nice connotation to it; people will like to feel that they are advancing their child, especially in the middle years.

I agree with the others that say "Second" refers to a second language and "Secondary" to high school.

Then you could go with "Accelerated Language Lessons" for High School.


:iagree:

Please hurry. We are doing R&S 5 for now. Although it is good, I miss the excellence of FLL for my oldest (and myself)!

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 11:55 PM

'Tween Language Lessons!

No, they might think that involves texting....

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:06 AM

Advanced Language Lessons, Book 1

Advanced Language Lessons, Book 2, etc.

That keeps the flow and branding from First Language Lessons, and "Advanced" has a nice connotation to it; people will like to feel that they are advancing their child, especially in the middle years.

I agree with the others that say "Second" refers to a second language and "Secondary" to high school.

Then you could go with "Accelerated Language Lessons" for High School.


This one! Do this one!

#80 Brenda in FL

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:12 AM

The problem with "Second Language Lessons" is that it begs the question, "Which language?"

Usually, the term "second language" refers a language other than your first language. Again, it would only make sense to those already familiar with FLL.


I agree - sounds like it has something to do with a second language other than english.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:16 AM

I really liked the previous poster's suggestion of Essential Language Lessons. It goes well with First Language Lessons, I think. I'm not a fan of Middle Language Lessons, that just sounds funny to me.


Except this is too close to what Leigh Bortins calls her grammar program Essentials of the English Language

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:21 AM

Definition of Secondary School according to Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: secondary school
Function: noun
Date: 1835
: a school intermediate between elementary school and college and usually offering general, technical, vocational, or college-preparatory courses

Three other relevant definitions of secondary:

2 a : immediately derived from something original, primary, or basic

3 a : of, relating to, or being the second order or stage in a series
c : of or relating to a secondary school <secondary education>

Edited by sagira, 18 November 2010 - 12:35 AM.


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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:29 AM

Advanced Language Lessons, Book 1

Advanced Language Lessons, Book 2, etc.

That keeps the flow and branding from First Language Lessons, and "Advanced" has a nice connotation to it; people will like to feel that they are advancing their child, especially in the middle years.

I agree with the others that say "Second" refers to a second language and "Secondary" to high school.

Then you could go with "Accelerated Language Lessons" for High School.



I like these! My first choice would have been intermediate language lessons, but since that name is already taken, then I like the "Advanced Language Lessons."

I would avoid titling something "for middle school" since many of us may not follow specific grades or may have children working on materials based on their abilities rather than their ages. That was one thing that I liked about FLL....it was necessarily tied to a certain "grade" so if you have your child working on an easier level, it doesn't have the same connotation that they're "behind."

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:33 AM

Middle Language Lessons seems like a good title to me.
I'd avoid the word "second" because it sounds like "second grade" or "a second language".

Further Language Lessons would also work well, I think.

Either could be followed by Advanced Language Lessons.

oooorrrr......

First Language Lessons (1-4) could be followed simply by Language Lessons (with a 5-8 added). For high school level you could finish up with Advanced Language Lessons (9-12). It lacks pizazz, but it's simple to understand which you need.

Please do hurry, though! We're finishing up FLL4 in January! =)

Edited by s.z.ichigo, 18 November 2010 - 12:40 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:40 AM

First, Further, and Final here. :)

I think you definitely need to keep with the "Language Lessons" part. First is the first installment. Further clearly comes after that. Final is your final stab at teaching them grammar in school. The alliteration is just a bonus. I think this series sounds very catchy, and not too wordy. Direct, simple, doable.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:46 AM

First, Further, and Final here. :)

I think you definitely need to keep with the "Language Lessons" part. First is the first installment. Further clearly comes after that. Final is your final stab at teaching them grammar in school. The alliteration is just a bonus. I think this series sounds very catchy, and not too wordy. Direct, simple, doable.


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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:49 AM

"Final" doesn't have to mean that you think you've said the last word anyone will ever need to hear on the subject.

"Final" might just mean, "This is the last writing curriculum I'm creating for you people. I am not going to college with you, no matter how much you beg."

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:38 AM

Except this is too close to what Leigh Bortins calls her grammar program Essentials of the English Language


Names are going to be similar when covering similar content. It's hard to come up with something new, which is why we were asked to give opinions.

Essential Language Lessons; Essentials of the English Language
Secondary Language Lessons; Language Lessons for the Secondary Child

Such as, First Language Lessons; Primary Language Lessons.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:40 AM

Logical Language Lessons

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:46 AM

FLL5
FLL6
FLL7
FLL8

Why mess with a good thing?

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:49 AM

:lol: Ahh...SWB, whatEVER were you thinking asking us???

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:50 AM

First, Further, and Final here. :)

I think you definitely need to keep with the "Language Lessons" part. First is the first installment. Further clearly comes after that. Final is your final stab at teaching them grammar in school. The alliteration is just a bonus. I think this series sounds very catchy, and not too wordy. Direct, simple, doable.


:iagree:

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 10:06 AM

:iagree:

First Language Lessons
Essential Language Lesssons
Advanced Language Lessons

Looks and sounds great to me!

:iagree:
I like the FLL, ELL, ALL. The acronyms for this are great.
First Language Lessons
Essential Language Lesssons
Advanced Language Lessons

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 10:17 AM

:lol: Ahh...SWB, whatEVER were you thinking asking us???


:lol: I've been thinking that myself! - although there ARE a lot of really good ideas here.

"Second(ary) Language Lessons" really doesn't work for me, as a pp pointed out, "second language" often refers to foreign language learning, and "secondary" for Brits and Aussies means Grades 7-12. "Further" is good - although you then have the issue of the abbreviations being the same, unless you use "FFL" and "FuFL" - but "Final" does seem to indicate that there is no more to be learned.

How about this:

First Language Lessons
Further Language Lessons
Advanced or Higher Language Lessons

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 11:10 AM

FLL5
FLL6
FLL7
FLL8

Why mess with a good thing?


:iagree:

The other options just cause brand confusion, or worse (ILL, Second Language Lessons=ESL, Further and Final???).

Stick with what works.

BTW, I'm still waiting to find out the "winner" of the WWE poster slogan contest. What year was that Susan??? :D

Bill (beginning to think he didn't win :tongue_smilie:)

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 11:21 AM

I really liked the previous poster's suggestion of Essential Language Lessons. It goes well with First Language Lessons, I think. I'm not a fan of Middle Language Lessons, that just sounds funny to me.


:iagree:

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 12:53 PM

FLL5
FLL6
FLL7
FLL8

Why mess with a good thing?


:iagree: Go with the simple, straightforward, existing and easily identifiable brand name.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 02:20 PM

:lol: Ahh...SWB, whatEVER were you thinking asking us???


That's what I thought when Cadam said we weren't being terribly helpful. She asked a group of opinionated people with LOTS of ideas about nearly everything. :D

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 02:39 PM

Actually this has been really helpful.

Really.
:001_smile:

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 02:54 PM

I like something like:

1. First Language Lessons
2. Implementing Language Lessons or Practicing Language Lessons
3. Mastering Language Lessons


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