johnandtinagilbert Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 In light of recent threads on historical perspective in history books, I recently read History in the Making An Absorbing Look at How American history has Changed inteh Telling Over the Last 200 Years by Kyle Ward and History Lessons How Textbooks from Around the World Portray US History by Ward and Dana Lindaman. I reviewed both here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Thanks -- I have read the second one on your list but not the first, so i'll go take a peek. Have you also read Lies My History Teacher Taught Me? He also goes into some of the changes over time -- although he's mostly concerned with the problematic lack of change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbyhugs Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Thank you for posting this. I'm always looking for books that give a different perspective. Great picture at your site! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnandtinagilbert Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 :Lies, etc is on my list and might even be waiting for me at the library. I enjoyed the reads :) Thanks for the pic compliment :) My gang is precious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 In light of recent threads on historical perspective in history books, I recently read History in the Making An Absorbing Look at How American history has Changed inteh Telling Over the Last 200 Years by Kyle Ward and History Lessons How Textbooks from Around the World Portray US History by Ward and Dana Lindaman. I reviewed both here. Thanks. I just put holds on both of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhondabee Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 In light of recent threads on historical perspective in history books, Can I be a huge bother, and ask you to link to the threads you're thinking of? The reason I ask is that we are (of necessity) moving from a living books multi-view non-curriculum way of doing history into more of a textbook-ish, "this is the way it was" presentation of history, and I have a low-level but definite underlying sense of dread that we will be ... not "brain-washed"... but mis-led possibly...? I don't know. Anyway...I would be interest in learning more about this, but haven't really known how to go about it, really. I *have* to teach with the materials that God has given me peace about. I trust him. I also know that I have to educate myself and not just blindly go wherever one particular author or curriculum happens to lead. (Off topic: I think that's what really troubles me about next year - I like using several authors; even when we used SOTW, we supplemented with other authors. No one historian should be the end-all, be-all source.) Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Can I be a huge bother, and ask you to link to the threads you're thinking of? The reason I ask is that we are (of necessity) moving from a living books multi-view non-curriculum way of doing history into more of a textbook-ish, "this is the way it was" presentation of history, and I have a low-level but definite underlying sense of dread that we will be ... not "brain-washed"... but mis-led possibly...? I don't know. Anyway...I would be interest in learning more about this, but haven't really known how to go about it, really. I *have* to teach with the materials that God has given me peace about. I trust him. I also know that I have to educate myself and not just blindly go wherever one particular author or curriculum happens to lead. (Off topic: I think that's what really troubles me about next year - I like using several authors; even when we used SOTW, we supplemented with other authors. No one historian should be the end-all, be-all source.) Thanks! What you might do is to read two textbooks, one liberal & one conservative; that way you can see two ways of "brainwashing." It's nearly impossible to get history exactly the way it was, of course, even with living books. Or you can listen to lectures with one slant & read a text with the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhondabee Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 What you might do is to read two textbooks, one liberal & one conservative; that way you can see two ways of "brainwashing." It's nearly impossible to get history exactly the way it was, of course, even with living books. Or you can listen to lectures with one slant & read a text with the other. OK - I'm pretty sure with Notgrass & BJU as the spine textbook, the conservative Christian viewpoint will be well represented. ;) Do you have any suggestions for something with a liberal slant? We'll be doing World history specifically next year, but US history and Government the year after. Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnandtinagilbert Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Can I be a huge bother, and ask you to link to the threads you're thinking of? The reason I ask is that we are (of necessity) moving from a living books multi-view non-curriculum way of doing history into more of a textbook-ish, "this is the way it was" presentation of history, and I have a low-level but definite underlying sense of dread that we will be ... not "brain-washed"... but mis-led possibly...? I don't know. Anyway...I would be interest in learning more about this, but haven't really known how to go about it, really. I *have* to teach with the materials that God has given me peace about. I trust him. I also know that I have to educate myself and not just blindly go wherever one particular author or curriculum happens to lead. (Off topic: I think that's what really troubles me about next year - I like using several authors; even when we used SOTW, we supplemented with other authors. No one historian should be the end-all, be-all source.) Thanks! No bother, the thread is gone. It was the evil history books thread. OK - I'm pretty sure with Notgrass & BJU as the spine textbook, the conservative Christian viewpoint will be well represented. ;) Do you have any suggestions for something with a liberal slant? We'll be doing World history specifically next year, but US history and Government the year after. Thanks for your help! Was his name Zinn? I think maybe Howard Zinn...although I'm not sure its textbook. Sorry, I'm not much help here. I'd say this much though, after reading those 2 books, I'd say older is better. Every example of modern usage was so trimmed down it was kinda sad. Are you looking for true textbook or a singular spine in narrative style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhondabee Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 No bother, the thread is gone. It was the evil history books thread. Was his name Zinn? I think maybe Howard Zinn...although I'm not sure its textbook. Sorry, I'm not much help here. I'd say this much though, after reading those 2 books, I'd say older is better. Every example of modern usage was so trimmed down it was kinda sad. Are you looking for true textbook or a singular spine in narrative style? The thread is gone???? Oh, my...of course it is. I always miss the fun threads. :lol: What I'll need in reality is narrative and easy-to-read if I'm going to get my son to read it. Although often I've found it helps even if only I have read something (and he hasn't), and I can just add in a brief commentary and dialogue with my DS about it. I'll look up the books mentioned here in this thread and Howard Zinn at the library to start. If you know of any others, that'd be great, too. Thanks, Tina! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 OK - I'm pretty sure with Notgrass & BJU as the spine textbook, the conservative Christian viewpoint will be well represented. ;) Do you have any suggestions for something with a liberal slant? We'll be doing World history specifically next year, but US history and Government the year after. Thanks for your help! It's Howard Zinn, as someone mentioned. I don't remember the name of the book. My eldest won't put the time into it to do 2, but my middle one mostly likely will. I am going to have my eldest read Lies my Teacher Told Me, or at least part of it. She's far more interested in science & math than in history. I can't remember if I was on that history thread that was removed or not. Was it on this forum? I rarely go to the General Forum now to avoid getting caught up in hot threads because they take up too much time and frequently go askew & have to be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnandtinagilbert Posted July 14, 2010 Author Share Posted July 14, 2010 It's Howard Zinn, as someone mentioned. I don't remember the name of the book. My eldest won't put the time into it to do 2, but my middle one mostly likely will. I am going to have my eldest read Lies my Teacher Told Me, or at least part of it. She's far more interested in science & math than in history. I can't remember if I was on that history thread that was removed or not. Was it on this forum? I rarely go to the General Forum now to avoid getting caught up in hot threads because they take up too much time and frequently go askew & have to be removed. Lies....is next on my list to read! I think it may make an interesting component to our studies, especially for my humanities hungry student! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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