hmschoolmom22 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 trying to outline my dd's high school schedule and figure out her credits, etc... Is Logic considered an elective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter's Moon Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I believe Logic is considered an English elective. That is the impression I have got from all I have read on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'd put it as an elective--anything beyond 4 cr of English, for me. It also depends on the kind of logic--there's "math" logic, too. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan in GE Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 In Jr. Hi. (not that I gave credits - just organizationally), I would slot it with math time. I guess then I thought of it as thinking skills. Then in high school, I've just counted it as part of rhethoric studies for the logic of arguments (eg Argument Builder - though maybe that is not what you mean by logic), so the time just goes towards the one English credit each year. Chris is right that it can have different leanings. But I can't say that I've seen credits given for logic, when looking at different credit possibilities. (Maybe not enough exposure over here...) Probably SWB or the WTM has something about it... Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennW in SoCal Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 We homeschool through a public charter school. My ds got a year's worth of credit for "Logic", an elective, using Traditional Logic 1 and 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 It depends. If you're doing mathematical logic, then you can count it as an extra math class or as an elective. If you're doing Socratic logic, you can count it as English, as Logic, or as an elective. My son will need a bit of both types (he'll be going to uni for science) so I'll just list it as an elective. If you had a kid going for engineering, I would assume you'd be teaching them mathematical logic, and would list it as such. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 elective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan in GE Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 My son will need a bit of both types (he'll be going to uni for science) so I'll just list it as an elective. Thinking about this more and trying to imagine a full credit of logic in one year...120 hours (or more for a credit in our hs) in one year...or did you break it into half credits over two years...or 1/4 over 4? I think my brain would go numb with p's and q's, though Argument Builder is quite different and interesting.....What are you using Asta? Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Great White North Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 We homeschool through a public charter school. My ds got a year's worth of credit for "Logic", an elective, using Traditional Logic 1 and 2. What grade was this for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoriM Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 And just to complicate things, in our classical school Logic replaces Science in the 8th grade curriculum. It's the only year that Logic is a separate, formal study, and afterwards it's incorporated into both rhetoric and mathematics...as well as Science. But it works very well for us in 8th grade, because "middle school science" is mostly a waste of time (says a middle-school science teacher!). Now, you know I don't really mean that, but we either would accelerate a high school level science (which is what I did at home, but wouldn't in the classroom), or we'd spend a year on general science primarily for the purpose of teaching them to think and reason like scientists. What better way to learn to think and reason than Logic? Anyway, in high school, I called that course "Ethics" and incorporated Biblical studies as well as right-thinking and formal Logic and Rhetoric studies. In middle school, it was just part of our Humanities block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 What are you using Asta? Joan I'm psychotic. We're using Socratic Logic by Kreeft. I didn't even realize it was a college text until I saw it on the reading lists at several colleges. One of his math programs includes mathematical logic, so I'm not using a separate program for that. I will give him a full year of credit for standard Logic and call it Logic, as he will most likely be going to a school that would be looking for Logic, Rhetoric, Theology, etc. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan in GE Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I can see this topic means different things to different people - so great to talk about it. And just to complicate things, in our classical school Logic replaces Science in the 8th grade curriculum. And what curriculum did you use for this? I'm psychotic. We're using Socratic Logic by Kreeft. I didn't even realize it was a college text until I saw it on the reading lists at several colleges. Thanks Asta. It looks like an interesting approach (from the cover and title). How do you like it? Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I love it. But then again, I'm a total Kreeft groupie. The only thing is, Kreeft is DEEP. You literally have to take it a couple of pages or small sections at a time or your head starts to hurt. The nice thing is that he has it set up (this is all explained in the introduction) so that it can be a basic, intermediate, or advanced text depending on which sections you do, and he has designated those sections in the table of contents. He has also put the answers to the "evens" in the back of the book and will send you the answers to the "odds" if you email an address listed on St. Augustine's Press' website. People just have to recognize that Kreeft's version of "basic" is not Memoria Press' version of basic. It is more along the lines of "if you only have X weeks in which to learn Logic, this is what you absolutely, positively HAVE to know to become a well-rounded human being". By the time a person were to do the entire book, it would most definitely be a full on (scary) college course. Needless to say, we're sticking with "basic" plus the things he left unmarked (I am assuming that "unmarked" means everyone needs to know it). Now if anyone can help me wade through Corbett's Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student, I'd be much obliged... a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmschoolmom22 Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 thank you everyone! we will be counting it as an elective for this year (9th grade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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