Latin without a Curriculum (from previous post)

[angela in ohio]

[ETA: I have posted this to my blog after editing it and putting it in more logical order. You are better off reading it there. :001_smile:]

 

I have promoted several times on the board that Latin instruction in the grammar years doesn't require a program. I finally typed up a list of resources and methods:

 

I am influenced heavily by this Memoria Press article: Four Principles of Latin Instruction

 

In short, I think that the best use of time allotted to Latin in the K-6 years is to memorize all of the basic information that will need to be learned in a high school program (Henle, Wheelock's.) This can be more effective (and so much cheaper) than workbook pages and time spent on translations. Much of the work can be done orally, so you can start with very young children. You can find some general ideas for what this can look like in How to Conduct a Recitation. Eventually, you will want to move to written memory work.

 

You can use games and memory techniques to learn the basic body of knowledge. Some ideas:

 

• Memory
  
• Chants (and chanting while marching, while whispering, while doing jumping jacks, etc.)
  
• BINGO
  
• Hangman
  
• Flashcards
  
• Songs (for example these)
  
• Races to fill in blank charts
  
• Mnemonics
  
• Hangman
  

 

 

In this way, Latin can be fun. :001_smile:

 

There are several things to do in these K-6 years.

 

1. Teach Latin memory work: conjugations, declensions, vocabulary, etc.
   
2. Instill an appreciation of Latin
   
3. Learn Latin yourself
   

 

 

First, some background resources:

 

 

• Bennett's Latin
  
• Gildersleeve's Latin
  
• Latin for Dummies - fun to read if not a thorough, scholarly tome
  

 

 

You can use these resources to learn about Latin yourself. Even Wikipedia is helpful (there must be many Latin geeks who love Wikipedia, because the articles there are pretty good.)

 

Once you have a basic understanding, you can move on to the three objectives.

 

The easiest to explain is the second - instilling a love of Latin:

 

 

• Listen to a Catholic Mass either in person or online
  
• Listen to Gregorian chant
  
• Look for Latin around you - University mottos, on money, in books, etc., etc.
  
• Study ancient Rome
  
• Learn to sing songs in Latin
  
• Listen to Latin texts being read aloud at many places online including here
  
• Have fun with Roman numerals - for example, play Roman Sudoku
  

 

 

And the third - learning Latin yourself:

 

Probablythe best plan is to use the Latin program you plan to teach in high school. Work through it yourself over the years.

 

So, the biggest objective - Latin memory work:

 

First, learn a bit about Latin pronunciation. This is an article on pronunciation from Wheelock's Latin.

 

What to memorize?

 

• Delensions
  
• Conjugations
  
• Vocabulary
  
• Scripture
  

 

 

Declensions are a new concept for most. You can read a bit to explain them in this article from Memoria Press, which also explains conjugations.

 

This Dummies page covers declensions as well, with the charts that you will want to memorize: Declining a Latin Noun

 

You can sing or chant the declensions. One resources for singing them is Latin Aids for Beginners.

 

Conjugations are more familiar, as most people probably learned English verb conjugations in school. These are generally chanted with an example word (often "Amo, amas, amat, amamus, amatis, amant.") This is a nice chart of 1st and 2nd conjugation endings (there are four.) This chart would come in handy for all four. This is a chart of the endings alone for the Present, Future, and Imperfect.

 

You will also want to learn some basic Latin vocabulary. Most programs use the same words. For directions on making Latin flashcards, see this article. You can also use online resources, such as the Latin sets on Flashcard Exchange and Quia.

 

You can choose from many lists. This is a good list of 200 Essential Latin Words. The advantage to making up your own memory work is that you can memorize them in a logical order (nouns together, prepositions together, etc.) rather than in the random way they are introduced in Latin programs. Here is list of verbs, another of prepositions, and the lists for words in Wheelock's or Lingua Latina. You can find many, many lists by searching online. Memorizing common verbs, nouns, adverbs, and adjectives, a list of prepositions, and some pronouns will be a good start.

 

ETA: Whatever words you choose, make sure that you learn the following:

 

Nouns - nominative singular, genitive singular, gender, meaning - this will generally be listed, for example:

puella, puellae, f. - girl

(You say, "puella, puellae, feminine, girl") - there will also be masculine and neuter nouns

 

Verbs - all four forms (they may be abbreviated, but say the full word) and the meaning with the first person singular pronoun (I) or the infinitive - this will be listed as, for example:

habito, habitare, habitavi, habitatum - I live, I dwell OR

habito, habitare, habitavi, habitatum - to live, to dwell

It may also be listed like this:

habito, -are, -avi, -atum - I live, I dwell

 

You may not even know what to do with the other forms right now, but it is so much easier to learn them together than to try to add them in later. Trust me, you will need them all eventually.

 

You can also memorize Scripture passages in Latin. For example, Genesis 1:1-10 or John 3:1-6 (scroll down to 'Reading the Bible in Latin.')

 

I'm going to copy this to my blog, and I'm sure I will make improvements to it, but I hope that it is helpful as it is.

Edited November 27, 2009 by angela in ohio

[Mama Lynx]

:::::Gives imaginary rep:::::

[SonshineLearner]

Thanks!! I copied this... My goal is not just to dip my children's toes in latin, but to enable them to read original works.... Guess I should get studying:-)

 

Carrie

[Tress]

Angela,

 

I have been thinking about this same idea for years:).

I just have not been brave enough to actually start it.

 

Are you doing this now with your children, or is this something you wish you had done?

 

I can clearly see the benefit of already knowing the declensions and verbs conjugations etc, I can also see the waste of time if you somehow have to stop memorizing and loose what you have worked so hard for.

 

Part of me wants to start now with my 6yodd, part of me is afraid I'm trying to be too smart and will end up regretting it.

[angela in ohio]

Angela,

 

I have been thinking about this same idea for years:).

I just have not been brave enough to actually start it.

 

Are you doing this now with your children, or is this something you wish you had done?

 

I can clearly see the benefit of already knowing the declensions and verbs conjugations etc, I can also see the waste of time if you somehow have to stop memorizing and loose what you have worked so hard for.

 

Part of me wants to start now with my 6yodd, part of me is afraid I'm trying to be too smart and will end up regretting it.

 

I have been doing this for years with my dc. I learned Latin in high school, though, so it has been easy to teach things as we go along. We have also been in and out of various programs (Latin Primer, Latina Christiana, LNST, and LITCT) as I have taught classes to others in co-ops and such. Every time I have to teach with a book, I am more and more convinced of the method I outlined. :001_smile: Latin instruction spent filling in worksheet pages and learning bits and pieces of vocabulary and paradigms in trickles of random order makes no sense to me.

 

My ds is 7, so that is the closest to you dd. He is learning the declensions this year through CC's Foundations program, so that is his Latin for the year, other than adding some vocabulary that he picks up from his sisters. My goal is to have him master the 5 declensions, 4 conjugations, several long passages of Scripture, and much of the vocabulary from Wheelock's before he is in 7th grade. My oldest two dd will start Wheelock's next year with a great portion of this mastered. I think if we hadn't been distracted by other programs (I don't regret that, though, as I was able to turn many students on to Latin in those classes, I hope,) they would be all the way there.

 

Even if something happened and he never took Latin in high school, I don't think it would be lost. Memorizing anything is a good exercise, and the vocabulary will provide a great English vocabulary base. Even if you had to pause for a few years and then start up later, much of the material would still be there. I didn't touch Latin for almost ten years, and it came rushing back (except a lot of the vocabulary, but I used that at the time, so I'm not sorry I learned it then.)

[prairiegirl]

Angela, thank you so much for this. I have been wanting to do something similar with my two youngest but I'm a girl who needs something written down in order to follow it. Thank you for giving me that 'written something'.

[MamaT]

This is how I've been teaching my youngest two. Having gone through Wheelock's myself twice with my two oldest, and now again with my third, I feel confident enough to teach my younger ones without a curriculum. My 12yo dd has had the basics and is now going through Latin Grammar to prepare her for Wheelock's next year.

 

It can definitely be much more fun to do it this way. I wish I had been able to do this with my older ones.

 

Thanks for the helpful links.

[Susie in CA]

Angela,

 

Thank you so much! This is just what I needed. I am off to planning for next fall. :001_smile:

 

Susie

[forty-two]

Lots of great resources there! For some more fun with Roman numerals (and a nice crossover with math), you can do arithmetic with them. It gives a nice example of how to calculate in a place-valueless system, and helps you really get place value, as a bonus.

 

In our place value system, the expanded form of a number is like this: 345 = 3*100 + 4*10 + 5. In Roman numerals, with no place value, the expanded form would just be the individual components added up: LXXVI = L+X+X+V+I. (With IV or IX, the I is acting like a negative number, so LXXIV = L+X+X+(-I)+V.)

 

Addition is pretty straightforward:

LXXVI + XXIV

= (L+X+X+V+I) + (X+X+(-I)+V)

= L+X+X+V+I+X+X+(-I)+V

= LXXXXVV

= LL

= C

(In Hindu-Arabic numerals:

76 + 24

= (7*10 + 6) + (2*10 + 4)

= (7+2)*10 + (6 + 4)

= 9*10 + 10

= (9+1)*10

= 10*10

= 100)

 

Subtraction is pretty easy, too:

LXXVI - XXIV

= (L+X+X+V+I) - (X+X+(-I)+V)

= L+X+X+V+I+(-X)+(-X)+I+(-V)

= LII

(In Hindu-Arabic numerals:

76 - 24

= (7*10 + 6) - (2*10 + 4)

= (7*10 + 6) + (-2*10) + (-4)

= (7-2)*10 + (6 - 4)

= 5*10 + 2

= 50 + 2

= 52)

 

Multiplication is straightforward, too, if tedious - you just multiply every numeral in the multiplicand by every numeral in the multiplier, and add up the results:

LXXVI * XXIV

= (L+X+X+V+I) * (X+X+(-I)+V)

= L*(X+X+(-I)+V) + X*(X+X+(-I)+V) + X*(X+X+(-I)+V) + V*(X+X+(-I)+V) + I*(X+X+(-I)+V)

= (D+D+(-L)+CCL) + (C+C+(-X)+L) + (C+C+(-X)+L) + (L+L+(-V)+XXV) + (X+X+(-I)+V)

= DDCC + CCXL + CCXL + LLXX + XXIV

= MDCCCXXIV

(In Hindu-Arabic numerals:

76 * 24

= (7*10 + 6) * (2*10 + 4)

= (7*10*2*10) + (6*2*10) + (7*10*4) + (6*4)

= 14*100 + (12+28)*10 + 24

= 1400 + 400 + 24

= 1824)

 

To streamline any of the above, you can group numbers to simplify the work.

 

Division is a bit trickier. Fundamentally, the quotient is found by dividing each numeral in the dividend by the complete divisor and summing the results, but that would be long and tedious (I can show it, but to get any useful results, you have to group the numbers just like you do in the following algorithm). However, the standard Hindu-Arabic algorithm just doesn't work well without place value. This variation on the partial-quotients method is the best way I've found so far. Basically, you factor out multiples of the divisor, till all you have left is less than the divisor:

LXXVI / XXIV (Some multiples of XXIV: XXIV*II = XXXXVIII; XXIV*V = CXX)

= (XXXXVIII + XXVIII) / XXIV

=XXXXVIII/XXIV + XXVIII/XXIV

= II + XXVIII/XXIV

= II + (XXIV + IV)/XXIV

= II + XXIV/XXIV + IV/XXIV

= II + I + I/VI

= III + I/VI (there is probably a more authentic way to represent fractions, but I don't know it, and have no time to look it up at the moment.)

(In Hindu-Arabic numerals:

76 / 24 (Some multiples of 24: 24*2 = 48, 24*5 = 120)

= (48 + 28) / (24)

= 48/24 + 28/24

= 2 + 28/24

= 2 + (24 + 4)/24

= 2 + 24/24 + 4/24

= 2 + 1 + 1/6

= 3 + 1/6)

Another example, with more iterations:

LXXVI / VI (Some multiples of VI: V*II = XII; VI*V = XXX)

= (XXX + XXXXVI) / VI

= XXX/VI + XXXXVI/VI

= V + XXXXVI/VI

= V + (XXX + XVI)/VI

= V + XXX/VI + XVI/VI

= V + V + XVI/VI

= X + (XII + IV)/VI

= X + XII/VI + IV/VI

= X + II + IV/VI

= XII + II/III

 

Clear as mud?

 

There is so much more to write about this, to really bring out how place value works - you can teach so much about math with this comparison - but it's taken all morning to get this far, and I don't know if anyone but me actually cares :tongue_smilie:, so I will leave it here. If anyone would like more clarification, just ask - I find this whole topic to full of geeky fun :D.

 

(By the way, not vouching for the authenticity of this - Romans used a counting board, I believe - but it is fun. Maybe next I'll have find out the authentic Roman methods and figure out how they work ;).)

[Tress]

Angela and Tammy,

 

Can we talk about this some more? Please?

 

I'm not concerned about *what* to teach. I have been working at learning Latin for a few years now, although due to difficult pregnancies I'm not as far as I had hoped.

 

And my dd knows that she is going to learn Latin, I always told her that if she was able to read in Dutch, we would start reading in English and when she would be able to read children's chapter books in English, we would start Latin.

 

I am however concerned about *how* to do this. I'm obviously a beginning homeschooler and I have not had much succes with memorizing poetry :blushing:. My dd finds it boooooring. She also gets really aggitated when I try to repeat something (as an intro to the new lesson) with math (Singapore), she gets concepts quickly and repeating things makes her MAD :lol:. In the Netherlands children start reading instruction when they are 6yo/1st grade, so we only started a few months ago and everytime she started to grumble, it was because I was going too slow and she became instantly happy when I doubled the speed (had to do that several times, she is now reading at a Dutch second/third grade level).

 

So I'm quiet sure that if I told her that we were going to start with Latin, she would be overjoyed, but that joy would not last more than a day or two :001_huh:. I'm a 'just give me the facts' kind of girl and I really need some help in making things fun. How are you, Angela and Tammy, making this fun for your children? I know you mentioned bingo and hangman, I just can't see how to do that.

 

BTW, I don't think everything needs to be fun, but I also don't want to kill her love for Latin once and for all by doing it in a boring way at such a young age.

Edited November 26, 2009 by Tress
made a mistake in a name, I'm really sorry!

[forty-two]

Tress,

 

I'm not Angela or Tammy, but your dd sounds very bright, possibly gifted, and as a gifted ex-kid myself ;), here's my two cents:

 

Your dd doesn't seem to need much repetition in order to master something, and in fact seems to (understandably) hate being retaught she already knows. Maybe you could have a policy where, if she thinks she knows something already, she could demonstrate that - maybe by teaching the concept to you - and if she knows it, then you move on. If she doesn't, then she clearly *doesn't* know it as well as she thought she did, and maybe could accept that she needs to go over the bits she didn't get (and only those bits).

 

With poetry memorization, how are you doing it? I think it is important, but excessive repetition at one time does get old. I've been memorizing things myself by reading it aloud once each day. (You can do the same thing in writing, but that feels like more work :tongue_smilie:.) The first time or two I read it through normally. Then when I feel somewhat familiar with it, I take chunks of words, read them silently, then look up and say them aloud without looking back at the paper (3-4 words at first, working up to complete thoughts, 10-15 words or so). It is helpful to have someone else to tell you if you are incorrect (instead of having to check back yourself). Then when I only need to see the first word or so of each phrase/sentence to be able to say the rest from memory, I try to go through it without looking at all. It is *very* helpful to have someone else there to give prompts as needed, and to tell you if you are incorrect. Eventually (it takes me about 2-3 weeks to memorize a psalm, going through it once a day), I can say it straight through, with no prompts. Then I know it, and I just need to review it frequently. I find that the challenge of keeping phrases in my memory helps me learn it faster, and makes the whole thing more interesting. I compete with myself, in trying to hold ever larger chunks at one time, and then in trying to reduce the number of prompts I need - it spurs me on. Maybe your dd would also enjoy the challenge. Also, if you give her a choice in what she memorizes, she might be more interested - feel a bit more ownership of it.

 

With regard to Latin, you can google latin bingo, and get quite a few hits. Ditto for other fun activities. But I think that going as fast as your dd needs to go is the key. Everything you wrote suggests that she loves learning, and learns rapidly - your only problems seem to come when she is being held back compared to what she is capable of.

 

HTH

[Mabeline]

Thank you so much. I copied this. Do you think this is possible if I do not have any eperience with latin? Or am I better off with help like a curriculum? My son does learn better when we discuss or play so I love this outline, I think it would work way better than a worksheet. Thanks!

[angela in ohio]

Thank you so much. I copied this. Do you think this is possible if I do not have any eperience with latin? Or am I better off with help like a curriculum? My son does learn better when we discuss or play so I love this outline, I think it would work way better than a worksheet. Thanks!

 

Honestly, some of the links I put above offer more help and explanation for a parent than some Latin curriculum I have seen. :001_smile: As long as you are willing to do a bit of reading (enough to understand what a declenion and conjugation are and how to pronounce Latin words,) you should be fine.

[angela in ohio]

So I'm quiet sure that if I told her that we were going to start with Latin, she would be overjoyed, but that joy would not last more than a day or two :001_huh:. I'm a 'just give me the facts' kind of girl and I really need some help in making things fun. How are you, Angelina and Tammy, making this fun for your children? I know you mentioned bingo and hangman, I just can't see how to do that.

 

I think learning should be fun, but in an appreciation way, not in an "everything has to be balloons and cupcakes" way. Our eduational philosophy is to convince our dc that life is more enjoyable (fun) when you are educated. I do think, though, that there is a place for games and enjoyable activities. This usually shows up in Latin and math in our home.

 

I'll expound some on the games/memory work:

 

BINGO - You can start by playing BINGO with vocabulary words. Just put the first form of the noun or verb in the box, then call out the English form, or vice versa. BINGO is especially good for prepositions, too, which can be tedious and take a bit to memorize. Eventually, you can move to putting a specific form of noun or verb in each box. So the box would say, "puellarum" and you would say "of the girl" or "puella in the genitive plural" or even "girl in the possessive case." They would have to decline the noun in their head in order to get the correct form.

 

Hangman - You can do this several ways. I like multi-layered hangman, where the phrase discovered is actually a question in itself. The simplest form would be to play it straight with just a Latin word they are calling letters for. Then you can move to asking them questions, and if they get it correct, they get to try a letter. Then the phrase can be something like "second person plural form of narro." You could also have the phrase be an interesting tidbit about Roman history, or "the number twenty-three in Roman numerals," and they have to give you the Roman numerals.

 

Rolling a Die - A friend taught me this trick of hers. Cover a cube you construct from a cardboard box or pieces of cardboard with construction paper. Write different physical directions on it: "whisper," "shout," "on one foot," "holding your tongue," "in a baby voice," etc., etc. Each time you are going to do a chant or conjugate a verb or such, roll the die to get a funny direction.

 

Stopwatch - Stopwatches make everything more fun for dc. I don't know why they hold such power. Cut up a declension chart and time them putting it back together. It is made even more fun if you mock "throw" the pieces across the table for some reason. :D Time them to see how quickly they can recite a conjugation or declension. etc.

 

Memory - Put the Latin word for ten to twenty nouns on one card and the English on another. Turn them all upside down, lay them out on a table, and play Memory. They have to match the English and Latin pair to take it.

 

Military Drills - Run around the yard in mock army fashion doing call and response with Latin drills. Throw in a lot of gruff commands to the "soldiers" about keeping their knees up and such to add to the fun.

 

Notebooking - Keep a notebook with the drills they have completed. As they learn a declension or a list of vocabulary, make a special thing of moing it behind the "completed" tab.

 

Integration - Start watching for places that her vocabulary from Latin will overlap with her other subjects and life in general. A shared "secret" like Latin words is fun. When we see Latin somewhere, dc wink and grin at me. It is "our thing." When you are asking her a question, throw in a Latin word("Do you see that equus (horse) in the field?") Bonus points for you, mom, if you can put it in the right case and person, but use it anyway, like I did in the example, even if you can't. Just use the first form. When you start translating work much later, they will learn what form to use. Also, when you are studying science, linger over any Latin in the scientific words.

 

I hope that helps some. :001_smile:

[Tress]

Angela,

this is VERY helpful. Thank you!

 

Forty-two,

Thank you for your kind post.

 

I'm going to think about what both of you wrote and will probably be back with some more questions:tongue_smilie:, but not today, the kids are ill and I'm also starting to feel weird :glare:.

 

 

Have a great Thanksgiving!

[Colleen in NS]

Angela, this is great!!! Thank you for posting all this. I started to clue in to some of these ideas a few months ago, when I got the MP study guides for Henle. I was getting frustrated trying to follow/understand the methods in there, so I finally sat down, studied how they put it together, and came up with my own Latin study routine. :D The Latin fog started to clear some more. But this post of yours is REALLY helpful.

[Ester Maria]

I never used curriculum to teach classics (or pretty much anything... :D). I had my fair share of Latin in middle/high school and some university courses, so I was confident I could teach my children without a formal curriculum (though we do use various textbooks, mainly Italian ones, but we don't have the one which we follow; rather, it's more using them for appropriate texts at each level). It worked well so far. :)

[SnMomof7]

Wow! Thanks very much! I'm saving this for the great links to the Latin songs. It can be so hard for us moms who aren't actively using Latin to expose our littles to it so they can develop 'ear' familiarity with it before they're ready to read it :).

[Laura Corin]

I'm very happy to have my children memorise a lot, however I try to give them things to memorise that make sense to them. So I don't give them addition facts to learn until they understand addition.

 

How do you explain to young children why they are learning declensions and conjugations, if they are not reading/translating? Do you just say that the information will be useful in the future? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I can't see how it would work for us. I can see how you make the memorisation fun by using games/songs, but why not just wait until the facts can be put to use and learn them then, when the fun comes from seeing how it all fits together?

 

Thank you

 

Laura

Edited November 26, 2009 by Laura Corin

[lauracolumbus]

Angela, I think you're just plain brilliant. This is so much better than any curriculum I've seen. I do like Getting Started w/Latin as it provides instruction in such small bites.

 

I have needed curriculum for my kids as I don't know any Latin and have done terribly in the past studying any foreign language. In part I think it's b/c I don't know my English grammar like I should.

 

Tress, I have my dd6 listening to Song School Latin as just a nice easy beginning to Latin to make it less intimidating. She's also studying Italian and they of course overlap quite a bit.

 

Thanks for sharing this.

 

Laura in Ohio too.

[angela in ohio]

I'm very happy to have my children memorise a lot, however I try to give them things to memorise that make sense to them. So I don't give them addition facts to learn until they understand addition.

 

How do you explain to young children why they are learning declensions and conjugations, if they are not reading/translating? Do you just say that the information will be useful in the future? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I can't see how it would work for us. I can see how you make the memorisation fun by using games/songs, but why not just wait until the facts can be put to use and learn them then, when the fun comes from seeing how it all fits together?

 

Thank you

 

Laura

 

I have seen as my oldest dd gets older that it becomes harder and harder for her to memorize quantities of information. And most of the students in my Latin class (7th-8th graders) are struggling to memorize it all (and that's a pretty easy Latin program.) My little 7 yo can just snap it right up, though. That has really inspired me to do more and more memory work with younger ds. He has more time available, he can do it more easily, and he really enjoys it.

 

I have "brainwashed" :D my dc into thinking that learning anything is wonderful, so they don't really question. They have seen over and over that something I have taught them, when they didn't even know why they needed it, has been useful eventually. So they trust that anything else I tell them to learn will be, too. And they are using the Latin they learn somewhat, as they start recognizing Latin words, we say Latin words to each other, etc. So it is not a totally isolated, foreign subject. That's why I included the section above on instilling a desire to learn Latin. It does help a lot.

 

It really is just about a different approach. I think that's why there are so many different programs out there. :001_smile:

[Annie Laurie]

Thank you very much for sharing this, Angela.

 

Is Wheelocks the high school program that you recommend?

[Laura Corin]

I have seen as my oldest dd gets older that it becomes harder and harder for her to memorize quantities of information. And most of the students in my Latin class (7th-8th graders) are struggling to memorize it all (and that's a pretty easy Latin program.) My little 7 yo can just snap it right up, though.

 

Calvin has a memory like a steel trap, as yet consistently good despite his being in the midst of puberty. Meanwhile, Hobbes takes much longer to learn facts and retains them less well.

 

The 7th-8th graders you mention - do you know if they got used to memorisation when they were younger, or is it a new skill for them?

 

Just curious about the interplay of learning style/habit/age/hormonal rushes.

 

Laura

[Mama Lynx]

I don't know how it would have worked for my older kids, but my younger ones have seen their brothers learn Latin, and they know it's "what we do." They're excited about learning it too, and love to memorize chants.

[Dawn E]

I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to say thanks so much to Angela. I also wanted to bump it up as I know many mothers are, like I am, in Latin planning mode. This has been very helpful to me.

[Colleen in NS]

I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to say thanks so much to Angela. I also wanted to bump it up as I know many mothers are, like I am, in Latin planning mode. This has been very helpful to me.

 

Thanks! I was just thinking about this thread this morning, as I think about how to "do" the next section of Henle next year.

[angela in ohio]

I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to say thanks so much to Angela. I also wanted to bump it up as I know many mothers are, like I am, in Latin planning mode. This has been very helpful to me.

 

Awww, thank you. That is very kind of you! :blush:

[metrodorus]

Latin course in Latin only.

Hi, I have been designing an audio visual Latin course, that uses no Engish ( well, a tiny bit in the first two lessons, but it isn't 'needed'). I suspect children will respond to these lessons very well.

http://www.youtube.com/user/evan1965

[kwickimom]

Angela..Thank you! I have been wanting to implement Latin, but am totally out of HS funds. This is AMAZING and I truly appreciate that you shared in detail with us!

[Iskra]

I just wanted to resurrect this old thread in case there are people that haven't seen it. Thank you so much Angela. I wish someone on here can make a "greek without a curriculum" thread similar to this one.

[Colleen in NS]

I just wanted to resurrect this old thread in case there are people that haven't seen it. Thank you so much Angela. I wish someone on here can make a "greek without a curriculum" thread similar to this one.

 

This is great info. - I have this one saved.

 

I bet a lot of the principles Angela laid out could be applied to Greek study.

[angela in ohio]

I just wanted to resurrect this old thread in case there are people that haven't seen it. Thank you so much Angela. I wish someone on here can make a "greek without a curriculum" thread similar to this one.

 

You're welcome! :D I'm hoping it helps create "Latin-friendly environments" in many homeschools.

[Hunter]

Bumpidity bump bump bump :thumbup:

[Medieval Mom]

Okay! I may just take the plunge and do this. I've had it with Latin programs! Had it! I love Latin. My ds loves Latin. But FFL (with all its errors and tedium) is sucking the very blood out of our day. I dread teaching Latin with FFL. Today, finding yet ANOTHER ERROR in the memory work of principal parts, I felt the final straw break.

 

I'm now off to delete my row in our planner for FFL; in its place will be "Latin" with a little checkbox.

 

Sigh. This is a very timely thread for me. Thanks to Angela in Ohio for your wonderful inspiration and wisdom, and to Hunter for bumping!

[momma2three]

Thank you! This is great!

[Soror]

Thanks Angela and to the bumpers!

[Hunter]

MeaganS linked to this from the Oldschool Latin thread. It's very timely for me too.

 

I need to just refresh MY Latin with a well written text, and then spoonfeed bits of it, until the student is ready for the well written text.

[Hunter]

Okay! I may just take the plunge and do this. I've had it with Latin programs! Had it! I love Latin. My ds loves Latin. But FFL (with all its errors and tedium) is sucking the very blood out of our day. I dread teaching Latin with FFL. Today, finding yet ANOTHER ERROR in the memory work of principal parts, I felt the final straw break.

 

I'm now off to delete my row in our planner for FFL; in its place will be "Latin" with a little checkbox.

 

Sigh. This is a very timely thread for me. Thanks to Angela in Ohio for your wonderful inspiration and wisdom, and to Hunter for bumping!

 

Someone asked me about FFL in the Oldschool Latin thread. I suspected this from FFL :tongue_smilie: When it comes to Greek, I had to play around a bit though, with less than stellar curricula, to get STARTED. You have to know a LOT about Greek to have bad habits or see mistakes. "Go bad Greek habits!" is my motto. :lol: And that can apply to Latin too. Sometimes starting out, or only using the "right" or the "best" gets you stalled out quickly.

 

But when you DO know some Latin and Greek, it surely is nice to just TEACH it.

[metrodorus]

You might find the new free course I am putting up on YouTube useful as part of a homeschool Latin language education project:

 

The London Latin Course

 

It is accessible for all age groups.

 

[MeaganS]

Here's another bump for this awesome thread and also a question. Has anyone compiled a master list of this information? I've decided to add some Latin memorization into our routine and since this is the main direction I plan on going with Latin, I thought I should probably sit down and compile it all into one place so that I know where to start. That sounds like a lot of work, though, so if anyone has done that already, I'd be appreciative if you could share it with me. Bonus points if you've divided it by year.

 

...so I guess I'm looking for a curriculum to help me do Latin without a curriculum. :laugh: Well, not a curriculum necessarily, but a guide. If no one knows of one, I think I'm up to the task of compiling it and will share.

 

ETA: OK, so, this may be too easy, but, would something like this work with some vocab added in as a master guide and "cheat sheet"? Basically, learn this and you're ready to start? I realize there are many ways to make it more interesting, but as for actual content, is this basically what is needed?

 

ETA: Ha, they have a companion one for vocab too!

[laughing lioness]

Thanks for the fantastic resources!! I'm printing this off !

[serendipitous journey]

oh, this thread is so timely. Thank you Angela and everyone who bumped it.

[Hunter]

Bump.

 

WARNING!!!

 

OLD THREAD.