wvww vs Notgrass World History

[BZmom]

I am considering these curricula. Would someone give me some feedbacks on them? Thanks.

[Holly K]

Did you receive any replies? I am looking into this one, too.

[creekland]

I can't compare, but I can tell you I really liked Notgrass... We've done both their American and World...

[Kareni]

I did a search for older posts mentioning WVWW. Here are the results.

 

And a similar search for posts mentioning Notgrass picked up a lot more results. Here are those.

 

Regards,

Kareni

 

These links do not work. See post below.

Edited June 7, 2009 by Kareni

[teacalm]

I believe "Cynthia in OK" used all three Quine's WWOTWW I-III and the Starting Points.

[King's Kid]

I did a search for older posts mentioning WVWW. Here are the results.

 

And a similar search for posts mentioning Notgrass picked up a lot more results. Here are those.

 

Regards,

Kareni

 

Hi Kareni,

 

I tried your link for Notgrass posts but it doesn't work. Try again? :001_smile:

 

Thanks!

[King's Kid]

I can't compare, but I can tell you I really liked Notgrass... We've done both their American and World...

 

After using Sonlight for many years, I'm leaning towards Notgrass' World History for my budding 10th grader. What in particular did you like about Notgrass?

[Miss Marple]

Have you seen Quine's materials yet? I have not seen or used Notgrass (other than looking at the website) but I would think that they are two very different programs - from a history standpoint.

 

If I were only trying to accomplish World History from a Christian perspective, I think I would go with a standard 1 year program. Quine's program is much more than a world history program and is a 3 year series.

 

I'd be happy to answer any specific questions you might have about Quine's programs.

[Kareni]

Hi Kareni' date='

 

I tried your link for Notgrass posts but it doesn't work. Try again? :001_smile:

 

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Hmm. Sorry about that! For some reason, the link to a search doesn't seem to keep.

 

Here is how I searched. Click on the Search button above (NOT Search This Thread). Choose the Advanced Search option. Enter Notgrass (or WVWW) in the Search by Keyword area, and in the Search in Forums area highlight the High School board. That will lead you to a lot of old threads. I hope some of them will prove useful.

 

Regards,

Kareni

[creekland]

After using Sonlight for many years' date=' I'm leaning towards Notgrass' World History for my budding 10th grader. What in particular did you like about Notgrass?[/quote']

 

We did American last year and World the year before that. Notgrass upgraded their American for last year... I'm not sure when they last upgraded World.

 

Anyway, I liked the depth (esp for American) and being concerned about the facts - not as much about specific dates (other than really important ones). They had to know overall concepts of what was going on as much as details. There was a lot of reading - and different types and I liked the reading matching what was being studied at the time. We farmed out the English supervision to my neighbor (a PhD English Professor at a nearby 4 year college) and she considered their English program to be the best high school one she has ever seen... a big plus for my thoughts.

 

I also like it when we watch a history show on the History Channel (like Warriors or BC) and my kids can fill in gaps that the shows leave out - like with Hannibal, etc., and this particular show was watched a year or more after they studied it. My boys aren't just learning, testing, and forgetting. They are remembering what they have learned - showing me an author that has written the text effectively.

 

Notgrass is taught from a Christian and conservative point of view, but I didn't find it preachy - other than maybe some of the reading selections - but it's all in context. The Scarlet Letter is taught as well... (in American). For both years most of the books were available in our library, so we didn't have to buy many.

 

I will make a point to mention that I am a math/science person, so not as knowledgeable in history (or English) myself. That said, I know my Notgrass educated highschoolers seem to know more than their peers when they get together or talk about the issues... We were going to have my oldest take the American SAT 2 test this year, but it turns out that the colleges he's decided are tops on his list don't require them, so we opted to save money. We do have the review books... based on those he thought the test would be rather easy.

[momto4greatkids]

We did WVWW I last year but thought we had decided to do a more "traditional"course of study this year involving Gov't and AP English. However, once we studied the options at the Florida Convention, we discovered that WVWW 2 would definitely satisfy that gov't credit as well as satisfy my desire to teach government from a very foundational/principled approach. The family we do this class with also has a politically minded son (as mine is) and we were determined to provide the boys with a solid foundation.

We are sticking with WVWW--which came as a surprise to us!

[Caroline4kids]

Does WVWW have any kind of answer key in the newer editions? :bigear:

 

I am now researching for high school and the fact there was no answer key was a problem for some parents.

[bclerkin]

We like Notgrass.

[~blessedmom~]

Just thought I would bump this thread back up....since these are the two courses I am considering for next year. :001_smile:

 

I love the comprehensive scope of WvWW, but my son is not a voracious reader. On the other hand, Quine seems to walk the students through the "discovery process" pretty well.

 

Hubby and I have been on opposite sides of the fence--I'd like a living book education and he wants textbooks (because they worked for him!;)) Notgrass seems to be a good mix of narrative and textbook, so maybe that's the way to go. It doesn't have all the culture/art/philosophy contexts that WvWW has (or at least I can't discern that from the samples).

 

....any further thoughts on the two?:bigear:

[Donna A.]

Blessedmom, have you considered My Father's World for high school? They use the Notgrass World History two-volume set as their main history spine spread out over years 1 and 2, adding other material to make it more meaty, and to include history-related literature study, composition, vocab, and biblical worldview.

 

http://www.mfwbooks.com/highschool.html

 

The Lit Supplement that comes in the Ancients package includes detailed instructions for writing an argumentative essay, grammar review, literature study lessons, vocab, and quizzes. MFW lesson plans will hold your son's hand (and yours) through the process.